Working in UK while tax resident in Spain
 

Hi, was just wondering if anybody's had this issue. Normally I work as an autonomo English teacher and I've just done the baja for the summer in order not to pay the monthly social security payments. I'm visiting the UK for the month of July and I was planning to do some freelance work there but as far as I'm aware the tax should be declared where I'm tax resident, ie in Spain, which surely would require me to be currently registered to the social security and tax systems as an autonomo? Any help would be appreciated

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You will just need to put your uk earnings into your Spanish declaration next June. If you get it done by your gestor its fairly easy. Your not earning it self employed in uk so it's not part of your automino system.

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Thanks for your detailed reply Santiago, am I to understand that if I'm working in the UK during July and August (during which time I'm not signed on to the RETA system) then I need to declare the work in the UK and Spain, but that I will pay the tax in Spain? Can I declare it as part of my Renta 2022 next year?

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In this case, we must distinguish two issues: on the one hand, the obligation to legally invoice your work and the other, the obligation to present the corresponding taxes. In your case, you can unsubscribe from the RETA but if you do any work in the UK during that period you must legally invoice it and declare those invoices, so you are either registered as a self-employed person in the UK or you maintain your registration as a self-employed person in Spain. .
On the other hand, we find the mandatory nature of the income statement, in this case, despite your absence for 2 months, you will continue to be considered a tax resident in Spain, so you must declare your worldwide income in Spain in next years Renta.

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Please don't do this as its an offence to charge Uk VAT if you are not registered and don't have a VAT number.
You will receive payment for something you haven't supplied and the person you invoice if VAT registered will try to claim something they should not have been charged for...
There is a whole can of worms here, believe me......

UK VAT is only chargeable as a supplier if you reach the turnover threshold or voluntarily apply for a VAT number.
Of course you may wish to charge Spanish IVA but Im not sure how that works or if you even need too.

I did a small contract job in the Uk for my old employer last year and was paid direct to my Uk bank (no tax or NI in the Uk).
My Spanish tax bloke took the invoice I raised and entered the income into the 'other' box. He detailed it and sent in a copy of the invoice.

Anyway if you are teaching then thats VAT non rated anyway.
See here.
https://www.gov.uk/charge-reclaim-re...-to-charge-vat

And the fine for charging VAT when not registered is 100% of the invoice. So you would have worked for free.

Just my 2c Im not an accountant or anything else, but find out legally yourself. Don't rely on a forum and even more from someone who says they are in the know and has only posted twice. both times to you...

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I'm sorry but I think either you haven’t really read my message in detail or you haven't understood it. I don't know if intentionally which seems out of place.

What I have recommended is that he either remain self-employed in Spain and invoice from here or (since Spanish law allows it), unsubscribe from the Spanish RETA to save two months of the payment of the fee as self-employed . If after that you want to work in the UK, you have several options, the main one being to register or not to register for VAT.

Since I doubt he’ll get more than £85,000, he won't be required to register but will be able to. If he registers, he must invoice with VAT and if he does not register, he must not invoice with VAT.

You say that “You will receive payment for something you haven't supplied”. I don't know who has talked about it in this post. Here we have only talked about invoicing services that have been carried out.

After your arguments that have nothing to do with what I have commented, you add that you are not even an accountant or anything like that.

I just hope that in your field of work you don't come across people who belittle your knowledge and experience and give lessons on something for which they later recognize that they have not been trained or have sufficient knowledge.

I don't understand very well why you wanted to give a bad image of me without understanding the advice that I have given and, above all, creating confusion for the person who has tax doubts and who has come here to obtain aid.

That I only have 2 messages is because I registered only a few days ago. But having 673 doesn't make you right, sorry

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Now you've explained what you meant that's fine, but your statement saying "in the invoices that you issue as a self-employed person, the VAT of the country where you are providing the services must appear" wasn't necessarily correct and Barriej was just clarifying it. Nobody was insulting you.

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Obviously I was referring to the case that you were registered to bill, in which case you must include VAT.

In any case, saying “Just my 2c Im not an accountant or anything else, but find out legally yourself. Don't rely on a forum and even more from someone who says they are in the know and has only posted twice. both times to you...”

Although it is not an insult, it seems to me an unnecessary contempt.


Having said this, I think that it should not be given more thought or more importance than it is. I will continue to try to help other members of this forum and if someone has a different opinion I think there are other ways to express your disagreement.

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Which is what Barriej clarified, as that wasn't clear.

It's really not. It's just saying be wary of advice on the internet from an unknown, which is common sense. I'm just trying to explain that you shouldn't take it personally, as I really don't think it was meant that way.

HTH.

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I said:
"In this case, we must distinguish two issues: on the one hand, the obligation to legally invoice your work and the other, the obligation to present the corresponding taxes. In your case, you can unsubscribe from the RETA but if you do any work in the UK during that period you must legally invoice it and declare those invoices, so you are either registered as a self-employed person in the UK or you maintain your registration as a self-employed person in Spain."

I think it's very clear what I said:
1. "obligation to legally invoice your work"
2. In order to do that: "so you are either registered as a self-employed person in the UK or you maintain your registration as a self-employed person in Spain."

Barriej said:
1. "Please don't do this as its an offence to charge Uk VAT if you are not registered and don't have a VAT number."
No one has talked about not being registred and charging VAT not being registred
2. "And the fine for charging VAT when not registered is 100% of the invoice. "
Again no one has said that you can charge VAT without being registered

If Barriej want to clarify things, it's OK, but please,do not put words in my mouth that I have not said, especially if it is only to belittle or discredit a message that you have not read well or have not understood well.

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I will make a comment here, Double Tax, you have been giving out what appears to be professional advice on the forum, yet you do not have a profile, filling in this may help people to see just where you are coming from, you can put where you stand with regard to giving actual advice. You can't advertise services in posts, but there is no rule to say that you can't put it in your profile.

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Thanks for the recommendation. I just registered a few days ago and was seeing a bit of the functioning and dynamics of the forum. I think the profile is a good idea. Thanks for your advice.

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I'm not belittling or discrediting anybody, I'm a moderator and simply trying to help you understand that BarrieJ wasn't insulting you. You seemed to have taken his comment personally, he was just clarifying one statement you made in an early post, that's all.

Now let's get this thread back on track eh? For future reference, if you feel that you've been insulted, please use the report button to bring it to the moderator's attention rather than responding in kind to members.

Thx.

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Sorry but my last comment was also referring to Barriej not to your comment. And of course, I think it's best to let it go and go back to the topic we were dealing with.:thumb: