winter fuel payment.
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winter fuel payment.
I have been informed that stopping fuel payment was based on false accounting and that those of who are elligable should clain asap. True or false?
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Re: winter fuel payment.
You can claim, but unless you can prove in the EU courts that the premise was wrong, then you are extremely unlikely to do any good.
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Re: winter fuel payment.
I was told that the UK government based the temperatures over 4 months and claimed that it was over a year. Also that it has been challanged in the EU courts and initial findings are that UK government are at fault.This is only what I have been told not my own research, and I could be misinformed.
However if correct, it would not be the first time that the UK government have messed things .
However if correct, it would not be the first time that the UK government have messed things .
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Re: winter fuel payment.
I was told that the UK government based the temperatures over 4 months and claimed that it was over a year. Also that it has been challanged in the EU courts and initial findings are that UK government are at fault.This is only what I have been told not my own research, and I could be misinformed.
However if correct, it would not be the first time that the UK government have messed things .
However if correct, it would not be the first time that the UK government have messed things .
I seem to recall that the WFA was invented to top up a miserable level of state pension and good old Gordon Brown thought he was being clever since it was not subject to tax but along comes the other lot and start hacking back at select groups who mostly don't vote in UK. WE OLDER PENSIONERS ARE NOW IN A BIND SINCE THE WFA IS ROLLED INTO THE NEW UNIVERSAL PENSIONawarded after only 35 years compared to my 45 which we won't get and the WFA HAS GONE.
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Re: winter fuel payment.
Thanks for that, can't blame me for trying!
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Re: winter fuel payment.
Damn! I keep telling myself I should apply for it. I reckon it might buy a new wash machine. The old one is getting wonky. I don't mind buying a new one, but if UK taxpayers are willing to pay for it, why not?
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Re: winter fuel payment.
Had the WFA for a few years, but to be honest, as someone said to me the other day - 'no use crying or grumbling over spilt milk'...lol....it was useful at the time. It bought 2 to 3 months of logs for the wood-burner stove. Do we miss the WFA? ...no..
Will the WFA ever return?...I have no idea.
Will the WFA ever return?...I have no idea.
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Re: winter fuel payment.
They were determined to get the result the daily mail wanted, stop payments for those who had left UK. TAKE FRANCE AS AN EXAMPLE most if not all Brit expats in Fance will live in European France however they included all of the French overseas departments in Africa, Central America and the South Pacific. There are many areas of Spain that have much harsher winters than 98% of UK BUT THE DAILY WAIL CONCENTRATED ATTENTION ON THE MED COSTAS. No doubt the civil servants derived a model that showed all expats basked in winter temps in the low 20's forgetting that clear daytime sky's means a very rapid drop as the sun goes down and the day /night temp range is much higher than normal in UK.
I seem to recall that the WFA was invented to top up a miserable level of state pension and good old Gordon Brown thought he was being clever since it was not subject to tax but along comes the other lot and start hacking back at select groups who mostly don't vote in UK. WE OLDER PENSIONERS ARE NOW IN A BIND SINCE THE WFA IS ROLLED INTO THE NEW UNIVERSAL PENSIONawarded after only 35 years compared to my 45 which we won't get and the WFA HAS GONE.
I seem to recall that the WFA was invented to top up a miserable level of state pension and good old Gordon Brown thought he was being clever since it was not subject to tax but along comes the other lot and start hacking back at select groups who mostly don't vote in UK. WE OLDER PENSIONERS ARE NOW IN A BIND SINCE THE WFA IS ROLLED INTO THE NEW UNIVERSAL PENSIONawarded after only 35 years compared to my 45 which we won't get and the WFA HAS GONE.
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Re: winter fuel payment.
There are always winners and losers in any change. I am a loser due to serps and higher NI I have paid but if it simplifies the system it must be better.
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Re: winter fuel payment.
I also believe that re SERPs, if the amount held in Serps takes you above the single tier pension then you will still get them but if amount held are below single tier pension then that is taken into account and rolled into the single tier pension.
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Re: winter fuel payment.
Having paid full stamp for over 35 years out of the 48 years I have contributed my forecast was still reduced for a short period I was contracted out although my serps pushed it over the new pension rate.
It is only recently that the effects of the new pension has become clearer. Most shall be receiving less than than they thought.
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Re: winter fuel payment.
Unfortunately I have been contracted out for 40 out of 44 years 22 Forces and 18 Police. As with the forces pension you do not have to pay into, I was never aware I was contracted out. I just accept that I will have what I have when they pay it to me. I feel sorry for the likes of my wife who had built up a little extra by paying into Serps to now find out she would have got exactly the same had she never bothered. As you said previously some you win some you lose, biggest winners i see are those that never worked and lived off the state, but that is another issue.