rugbymatt

Interesting article about him in the Daily Hate last week, seems a lot of people who once supported are falling away pretty quick, the journo at the Guardian who first ran with the story is refusing to even deal with him now.

bil

That just makes me wonder. We will be unlikely to ever know the truth, but I'm willing to bet there's and awful lot of people working hard to muddy the water.

HBG

I agree, propaganda used to be dropping leaflets from the sky and Lord Haw Haw on some obscure radio station, and then we got Campbell and the spin machines, and the Sun newspaper deciding who was going to win the election.

Anyone gullible with an internet connection nowadays must be going around with a spinning head, wondering who to believe or who to vote for next.

Maybe I should include myself in that category – I was all for Obama at first and now don’t think much of him (not since he sent the Churchill bust back, and wanted to invade BP).

I quite liked Clegg until he started lying, and the way the wikileaks guy is going I might be happy to operate the water-boarding table lever.

bil

Who to believe/vote for ?? Simples! Just tick the box that says 'None of the above.'

I have a friend who always says that the voting slip should have a box to tick that simply says 'I hate you all'.

Mitzyboy

Ditto, but not 20 years ago

As far as the Wikiman is concerned, I reckon the powers that be are at work, and I dont think we'll actually know the truth. People who were "friends" are falling away? I really wonder why What individual can really stand up against a powerful state like America when they decide to smear. He may be guilty, he may not .. I don't know, but I'm guessing he's not going to come out of this a winner whichever is the case

bil

One thing for sure, it certainly makes me believe the leaks that are being published. Trouble is, despite seeing the contempt with which the yanks treat us, I bet it won't change the views of the pro american part of the UK.

To me, yet another reason for the UK to keep linked to europe.

Were we linked to the yanks, they would wipe their arse with us and discard us.

Dick Dasterdly

As they tried to do in the early days of WW2 when Britain stood alone, and they tried to do a deal with Canada to sell us down the river.
At least the Canadians showed some decency and would have no part of it.


Not sure how important this wikileak guy is to them.
They've made no move towards extraditing him to date, and after all it was one of their own junior servicemen who was originally responsible for doing the dirty and dropping them in it.

Could just cause them unnecessary further embarrassment by making a big thing of it.

agoreira

To fight alongside the French or the Yanks? Not a big lover of our colonial cousins across the pond, but .......

jackytoo

Not just the USA Government who is being embarrassed by the leaks if you look back on them.

Personally I would prefer to see the UK align itself with the US than Europe.

steviedeluxe

Aligning with the US appears to involve engaging in wars in Iraq, Afghanistan etc. Fair enough if it really is necessary to our security, but I suspect we'll be pulling out of Afghanistan without having achieved anything, save for blowing up x 1000s of local shepherd families (and quite a few of home grown soldiers to boot).

jackytoo

Yes they should pull out and leave them to their Poppy wars, seal the borders as they leave too.

HBG

We have aligned ourselves with the US rather than Europe for many years now, despite joining the EU, reluctantly, because 60% of our exports go that way. From the leaks it appears that the Americans no longer want us (or need us).

I always find this a difficult one to call, our links to the US are strong ones, historically and language wise, but a look at the map points us to the EU for closer ties. But the two Big Wars are not that far away and as a country we tend to dwell on them more than our European neighbours.

I’ve just realised that there haven’t been any leaks about Spain, to my knowledge; maybe they’re still to come.

jackytoo

America is one of the biggest importers of UK goods.

steviedeluxe

Lots of leaks pertaining to Spain - if you read the El Pais website you'd have seen a section devoted to stuff each day.
Starting to die back a bit now, but a quick look brought back this story (US using the arrest of a Marine in 2009 to accuse Barcelona police of being racist)
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/espan...lpepunac_3/Tes

Also, didn't the law "Sinde" fail because of the Wikileaks? I've not followed this (as I don't do illegal downloads!) so I may have got the wrong end of the stick

bil

Try having a look at how the us treats such partners, and then think again.

We are prtners in Europe, but with the US, we would always be a poodle.

Did you not read Dick's post re the yanks trying to cut a deal with the Canadians to sell us down the river?