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steviedeluxe Jan 27th 2014 9:02 pm

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Interesting plans to redevelop the plaza de España. Hope they get this right - there was a very nice craft market over the Christmas period there.

http://www.madridiario.es/noticia/ma...-espana/408125

chopera Jan 27th 2014 9:30 pm

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That is one of the buildings on Plaza España that has been "okupado" in recent years. The other two have now been demolished to make way for hotels as well. Next to it is Torre Madrid (where I used to work) where you can now buy perhaps the best penthouse in Madrid, if you've €5 million burning a hole in your pocket:

http://www.propiedades-singulares.es...32-vivienda-3/

steviedeluxe Jan 29th 2014 5:05 am

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Not everyone enjoys their time in Madrid. Michael Owen found it hard.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/col...s-at-home.html

anabellls Jan 29th 2014 5:33 am

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Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10934374)
Madrid has never had the wow factor for me. Prefer Barcelona. Never found Madrid dirty (although I read they have recently sacked about a third of Council cleaners). Doesn't compare with other major cities like Paris, Rome, Vienna and of course, London.

Absolutely, but it is much cheaper in comparison and except of Rome, by far the sunniest.
Nowadays, the unemployment rate rose to 26% and with over 56% of young unemployment, and no future solutions, it shows a decadent society. Rubbish was all over the city during the recent strike.

Barcelona is a different story,

Domino Jan 29th 2014 7:24 am

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Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 10934374)
Madrid has never had the wow factor for me. Prefer Barcelona. Never found Madrid dirty (although I read they have recently sacked about a third of Council cleaners). Doesn't compare with other major cities like Paris, Rome, Vienna and of course, London.


Originally Posted by anabellls (Post 11102982)
Absolutely, but it is much cheaper in comparison and except of Rome, by far the sunniest.
Nowadays, the unemployment rate rose to 26% and with over 56% of young unemployment, and no future solutions, it shows a decadent society. Rubbish was all over the city during the recent strike.

Barcelona is a different story,

The problem is that the council cleaners were TUPE'd to a contractor, who wasn't happy about the level of profit being made from the deal so laid off a number of workers and reduced the salaries of the others, as shown in my earlier post

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 11005148)
Granada had a similar problem a few months ago, something to do with salaries and job cuts because the street cleaning and bin collections are outsourced and the company concerned was looking to make more profit..

Perhaps some should watch more television news and read the posters the protesters are waving around.

outsourcing can be a good thing, but it is relatively new in Spain and at this level it only takes a small spark to have the Unions doing a Miriam (Karlin) and saying "everyone out".

chopera Jan 29th 2014 9:45 am

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Originally Posted by anabellls (Post 11102982)
Absolutely, but it is much cheaper in comparison and except of Rome, by far the sunniest.
Nowadays, the unemployment rate rose to 26% and with over 56% of young unemployment, and no future solutions, it shows a decadent society. Rubbish was all over the city during the recent strike.

Barcelona is a different story,

Yes Barcelona has higher unemployment and less sunshine.

Not quite sure what your point is though.

steviedeluxe Jan 29th 2014 8:18 pm

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This may be of use to anyone visiting Madrid - a calendar of events of interest to English speakers eg quiz nights, music gigs etc:

http://www.englishwarehouse.com/calendar.asp

anabellls Jan 31st 2014 12:01 pm

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Originally Posted by chopera (Post 11103496)
Yes Barcelona has higher unemployment and less sunshine.

Not quite sure what your point is though.

I see Barcelona with better eyes, beach, nice buildings, well-organised, and overall less trouble. The problems with the major resulting in rubbish all over my street could have been easily solved. Same with unemployment. There is something happening to Madrid that it is disturbing. Definitely not the best time to live here.

steviedeluxe Jan 31st 2014 9:11 pm

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Originally Posted by anabellls (Post 11106961)
I see Barcelona with better eyes, beach, nice buildings, well-organised, and overall less trouble. The problems with the major resulting in rubbish all over my street could have been easily solved. Same with unemployment. There is something happening to Madrid that it is disturbing. Definitely not the best time to live here.

Hah, you mean Barcelona has a better grip on street crime? :rofl:
Not sure why a rubbish strike is supposed to be worse in Madrid than elsewhere - there was a major strike in Brighton last summer, but no sensible person would surely use that as a reason not to visit the resort now?
By the way there is currently a similar strike in Alcorcon (a town to the south-west of Madrid) but because tourists and guiris generally don't go there, guess what, no one here is talking about it!

On another note, the brunch craze shows no sigh yet of abating ( I suspect it'll be the onset of warm weather that slows it down)


chopera Jan 31st 2014 10:55 pm

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Originally Posted by anabellls (Post 11106961)
I see Barcelona with better eyes, beach, nice buildings, well-organised, and overall less trouble. The problems with the major resulting in rubbish all over my street could have been easily solved. Same with unemployment. There is something happening to Madrid that it is disturbing. Definitely not the best time to live here.

And you live there?

chopera Jan 31st 2014 11:12 pm

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Originally Posted by anabellls (Post 11106961)
I see Barcelona with better eyes, beach, nice buildings, well-organised, and overall less trouble. The problems with the major resulting in rubbish all over my street could have been easily solved. Same with unemployment. There is something happening to Madrid that it is disturbing. Definitely not the best time to live here.

As I mentioned previously Barcelona has more unemployment, and also higher levels of street crime and prostitution. However in many ways I prefer Barcelona to Madrid - more pleasing on the eye, and not stuck in the middle of the meseta. However when it comes to chosing where to live, things like employment and the fact that nearly every Catalan you meet has a huge chip in their shoulder and is likely to bore you to death with their Catalanismo shifts the balance in favour of Madrid.

steviedeluxe Jan 31st 2014 11:22 pm

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Originally Posted by chopera (Post 11107484)
As I mentioned previously Barcelona has more unemployment, and also higher levels of street crime and prostitution. However in many ways I prefer Barcelona to Madrid - more pleasing on the eye, and not stuck in the middle of the meseta. However when it comes to chosing where to live, things like employment and the fact that nearly every Catalan you meet has a huge chip in their shoulder and is likely to bore you to death with their Catalanismo shifts the balance in favour of Madrid.

:goodpost:

There are good points and bad points to each city. I like the fact that you don't have to cope with language politics in Madrid, the water is of a good quality, and the free aperitivo regime (amongst other things). But I'd be the first to admit that Barcelona has certain advantages in being close to the sea (and to France), and in its visual layout. I've also built up a support network over the years in Madrid (I've known the place for 25 years now). I'd find it very hard to try and get work or start a business in Barcelona. I'll keep it as a holiday destination, but I can't argue with those who think it's a better place to live. Just not for me.

agoreira Feb 3rd 2014 12:00 am

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Want a home in Madrid for €1,000, no bills to pay, free electricity, water, gas, maybe even free heating?
http://elpais.com/elpais/2014/02/03/...83_050224.html

steviedeluxe Feb 3rd 2014 12:25 am

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Quite where they are going to fit all these (there appears to be a 100M or La Sureña on every corner in some parts) but the fast food operator Restalia intend to take on 4,000 employees in Madrid in 2014 as they continue expanding. Interesting to see if "TheGoodBurger" takes off - being talked about as a McDs killer..

http://www.eleconomista.es/interstit...s-en-2014.html

Dick Dasterdly Feb 3rd 2014 2:05 am

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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe (Post 11110683)
Interesting to see if "TheGoodBurger" takes off - being talked about as a McDs killer..

....or maybe a tapas killer Stevie ;) :rofl: as seems to be the case around here and a few other places I've been to lately.

All manner of fast food seems to be the order of the day amongst many Spanish now.
Even in our tiny local pueblo there are pizza joints, kebab joints, burgers and all the rest replacing traditional bars, some of which have recently been converted to make way for them.


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