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Vehicles Again
I've read on various site about the amount of time allowed before a vehicle has to registered in Spain, some sites say one month other sites say three months, but what about someone like me who wants to escape the "English" winter months by driving down to Southern Spain pulling a caravan and staying on a caravan park for a period of four or possibly five months.
Can I do that or will I be stopped by the Police, and possibly have the vehicle impounded. I will still have a UK address, UK MOT, UK insurance and the vehicle will be registered at that the UK address on UK plates. mick |
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Originally Posted by mick123
(Post 5233835)
I've read on various site about the amount of time allowed before a vehicle has to registered in Spain, some sites say one month other sites say three months, but what about someone like me who wants to escape the "English" winter months by driving down to Southern Spain pulling a caravan and staying on a caravan park for a period of four or possibly five months.
Can I do that or will I be stopped by the Police, and possibly have the vehicle impounded. I will still have a UK address, UK MOT, UK insurance and the vehicle will be registered at that the UK address on UK plates. mick You will not be a Spanish resident, you will be a tourist and as such has 6 months to keep it here. Keep the ferry dockets to prove how long you have been here. Ensure your MOT and road tax are in order for the whole time you are here and that your insurance covers you. |
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See the Residency link in free beer..... you can stay for 3 months only, after that you are deemed resident.
Then you have the fun with your car. :lol: |
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 5233846)
You will not be a Spanish resident, you will be a tourist and as such has 6 months to keep it here. Keep the ferry dockets to prove how long you have been here. Ensure your MOT and road tax are in order for the whole time you are here and that your insurance covers you. I thought that might be the case, I was just making sure.:thumbsup: mick |
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Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 5233959)
See the Residency link in free beer.....
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 5233966)
:D
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Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 5233968)
You two are too fast for my edit
Its DEFINATELY three months now then, not 6 :D |
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I may end up slitting my wrists if this thread goes into another page!!
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 5234313)
I may end up slitting my wrists if this thread goes into another page!!
:D |
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Originally Posted by rugbymatt
(Post 5234313)
I may end up slitting my wrists if this thread goes into another page!!
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In the hope that Matt will follow through on his promise.....here goes!
It's an infringement of our human rights you know....and it's all for the money. If you have a UK reg car or bike which is completely legal, why the hell should you be forced to replate it? In fact, I've just bought another bike in the UK....for half the price I'd have had to pay here. Plus, it's had no Spanish owners, which is a godsend....because the concept of basic maintenance like oil changes, chain adjustment and lubrication etc is totally lost on them. I'll be bringing it out here, and it'll be totally legal in all respects as I have 365 days European insurance cover. If I get pulled it's show the passport, not the residencia....though in actual fact Police are not interested in foreign motorcycles, as Spain has long been a mecca for touring. In a years time, back to the UK for a new MOT or change it for something else. The fact of the matter is that any legal British vehicle with a current MOT is going to be a damn sight safer and more roadworthy than any POS Spanish car which has limped it's way through the ITV. And in many cases some Spanish cars haven't actually been tested for years and they're just driving around regardless. So before Spain tells me what plate I should have on my bike.....it needs to clear up it's own mess of illegal vehicles, illegal drivers, and non-existent standards of driving ability. AFAIC if my vehicle is legal anywhere in Europe then it's legal here! Spanish licence? Spanish plate? They're having a laugh! Just tell em......Franco's dead.....get over it! |
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5234454)
In the hope that Matt will follow through on his promise.....here goes!
It's an infringement of our human rights you know....and it's all for the money. If you have a UK reg car or bike which is completely legal, why the hell should you be forced to replate it? In fact, I've just bought another bike in the UK....for half the price I'd have had to pay here. Plus, it's had no Spanish owners, which is a godsend....because the concept of basic maintenance like oil changes, chain adjustment and lubrication etc is totally lost on them. I'll be bringing it out here, and it'll be totally legal in all respects as I have 365 days European insurance cover. If I get pulled it's show the passport, not the residencia....though in actual fact Police are not interested in foreign motorcycles, as Spain has long been a mecca for touring. In a years time, back to the UK for a new MOT or change it for something else. The fact of the matter is that any legal British vehicle with a current MOT is going to be a damn sight safer and more roadworthy than any POS Spanish car which has limped it's way through the ITV. And in many cases some Spanish cars haven't actually been tested for years and they're just driving around regardless. So before Spain tells me what plate I should have on my bike.....it needs to clear up it's own mess of illegal vehicles, illegal drivers, and non-existent standards of driving ability. AFAIC if my vehicle is legal anywhere in Europe then it's legal here! Spanish licence? Spanish plate? They're having a laugh! Just tell em......Franco's dead.....get over it! And, 9 months after you get it here and they stop you and ask for PROOF that it has been here less than 6 months? how are you going to get round that. Only accepted proof is your ferry ticket. |
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5234454)
In the hope that Matt will follow through on his promise.....here goes!
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 5234469)
And, 9 months after you get it here and they stop you and ask for PROOF that it has been here less than 6 months? how are you going to get round that. Only accepted proof is your ferry ticket.
What is the state of play with vehicles registered in other countries? logic says that we should all abide by the rules, whether EU rules or Spanish rules, but is there the same issue with German or French registered vehicles? Just curious! Tim |
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Originally Posted by valenciatim
(Post 5234497)
Sorry all, I know you all love these threads! But.....Is that the case? Suppose the vehicle came down in a lorry, or through the tunnel? What happens then?
What is the state of play with vehicles registered in other countries? logic says that we should all abide by the rules, whether EU rules or Spanish rules, but is there the same issue with German or French registered vehicles? Just curious! Tim |
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 5234469)
And, 9 months after you get it here and they stop you and ask for PROOF that it has been here less than 6 months? how are you going to get round that. Only accepted proof is your ferry ticket.
Can you give me a source for where it says a ferry ticket is the only thing they'll accept? If that is the case I could produce a different one every week if necessary! |
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5234666)
I don't live on the Costas....I live in the middle of nowhere. I rode my previous one for nearly 2 years and never got pulled.
Can you give me a source for where it says a ferry ticket is the only thing they'll accept? If that is the case I could produce a different one every week if necessary! The worst bit is , they decide on what paperwork you have to produce and fine you for not having it with you when they took the car off you. It could take a few weeks to sort out, and then after that time they may find another bit you need, pmsl.... Be a shame to loose a nice bike for a few €`s |
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Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 5234684)
No the difference is.... they impound your vehicle until the necessary paperwork is produced.
The worst bit is , they decide on what paperwork you have to produce and fine you for not having it with you when they took the car off you. It could take a few weeks to sort out, and then after that time they may find another bit you need, pmsl.... Be a shame to loose a nice bike for a few €`s |
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Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 5234684)
No the difference is.... they impound your vehicle until the necessary paperwork is produced.
The worst bit is , they decide on what paperwork you have to produce and fine you for not having it with you when they took the car off you. It could take a few weeks to sort out, and then after that time they may find another bit you need, pmsl.... Be a shame to loose a nice bike for a few €`s No doubt they want to pull illegal Brit cars languishing in the Brit enclaves etc....but they're not remotely interested in bikes where I live. I've had coffee a few times with the Guardia Civil guys on bikes....they want to talk bikes as enthusiasts, and couldn't give a toss about your papers. http://www.maximumbikes.com/pics/gc.jpg |
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5234712)
Few thousand €'s is the difference in price jdr. But as it is, they're really not interested in pulling bikes....they're not seen as huge revenue generators to the system like in the UK.
No doubt they want to pull illegal Brit cars languishing in the Brit enclaves etc....but they're not remotely interested in bikes where I live. I've had coffee a few times with the Guardia Civil guys on bikes....they want to talk bikes as enthusiasts, and couldn't give a toss about your papers. http://www.maximumbikes.com/pics/gc.jpg |
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Originally Posted by jdr
(Post 5234751)
Its only 600 to replate a car so a bike wouldn`t cost that much.
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Bottom line is that if you come to live in a foreign land then by doing so you should agree to live by the rules therein, or if you don't then you can stick your two fingers up to the law of the land and hope you dont get a grumpy guardia one day that decides your time is up.
You can drink as many beers with the local plod as you like, but if you think that on the day that the order comes down the line to clamp down on illegal vehicles that those beers are going to make an iota of difference then good luck to you :D |
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 5235234)
Bottom line is that if you come to live in a foreign land then by doing so you should agree to live by the rules therein,
As for living by the rules.....remember that the the "rules" include landgrabs, local council bungs etc etc. Spanish society is inherently corrupt, and considering the Spanish (including the Police) ignore the rules they consider irrelevant....I'm just following the Spanish way. In principle I actually agree with you though Jon. However the reality is something different. You've been conditioned through "The Prisoner" environment in the UK to accept compliance in all forms....I haven't. This directive is purely aimed at taking our money....it's nothing to do with legality and roadworthiness of vehicles. My point is that if people have LEGAL roadworthy vehicles, they should not be compelled to re-plate them if they don't want to. If their vehicles are ILLEGAL then by all means impound them etc. As I said....it's all about money and nothing else. Old Greasers never sell out! :cool: |
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What happens then when/if you go back to the UK do you then have to have it reregistered again to drive it in the UK - the mind boggles?????
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Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield
(Post 5236201)
What happens then when/if you go back to the UK do you then have to have it reregistered again to drive it in the UK - the mind boggles?????
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And taking the official stance one step further.....if you live in the UK six months a year, and Spain six months a year.....you should theoretically re-matriculate it twice every year.
Non EU vehicles? No argument with that system for them. EU vehicles? It contradicts exactly what the EU is allegedly supposed to stand for! |
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5236220)
It contradicts exactly what the EU is allegedly supposed to stand for!
EU legislation caters well for ones right to move (ie travel) within the EU and it caters for ones rights to reside where you like. It just doesn't cater for people staying for long periods, but not permanently, in other countries. One day, if it doesn't all fall apart, then we might see EU vehicle registration and true EU driving licences. Given the predeliction of most member states to quibble all the time (especially the UK) I feel that this paper free Utopia is a fair way off! |
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Originally Posted by Fred James
(Post 5236519)
One day, if it doesn't all fall apart, then we might see EU vehicle registration and true EU driving licences.
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5236165)
It's always sad when an old hippie sells out to "The Man". Aldous Huxley and Timothy Leary must be turning in their graves. :lol:
As for living by the rules.....remember that the the "rules" include landgrabs, local council bungs etc etc. Spanish society is inherently corrupt, and considering the Spanish (including the Police) ignore the rules they consider irrelevant....I'm just following the Spanish way. In principle I actually agree with you though Jon. However the reality is something different. You've been conditioned through "The Prisoner" environment in the UK to accept compliance in all forms....I haven't. This directive is purely aimed at taking our money....it's nothing to do with legality and roadworthiness of vehicles. My point is that if people have LEGAL roadworthy vehicles, they should not be compelled to re-plate them if they don't want to. If their vehicles are ILLEGAL then by all means impound them etc. As I said....it's all about money and nothing else. Old Greasers never sell out! :cool: No its nothing to do with the roadworthyness, as you can prove that by having an ITV over here, but that doesn't make it legal. But you live here. You use Spanish roads. You should pay for them, God knows the amount you pay legally is low enough here! Dont ever complain to me about crappy roads in the future :), if you come flying off your Honda 50 into a prickly bush cos you failed to see a pot hole. Pray explain to me, you drop out, why is it when you move to another country, should you ignore the laws of the country as you are suggesting, if society here is corrupt then you would make it more so by not re plating an illegal vehicle. You're not in Dragon country now you know :D |
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 5237028)
No its nothing to do with the roadworthyness, as you can prove that by having an ITV over here,
Jon.....take "Dark side of the Moon" out of the stereo, remove "Woodstock - the Movie" from your DVD, cut off your ponytail, and go and take a look at what goes on in an ITV station! :lol: |
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5237102)
An ITV proves road worthiness? :lol:
Jon.....take "Dark side of the Moon" out of the stereo, remove "Woodstock - the Movie" from your DVD, cut off your ponytail, and go and take a look at what goes on in an ITV station! :lol: I wish I knew as much as you claim to know, I'd be a much better person .......... now must get back to my spliff :lol: http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:...ges/spliff.jpg |
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5237102)
An ITV proves road worthiness? :lol:
Jon.....take "Dark side of the Moon" out of the stereo, remove "Woodstock - the Movie" from your DVD, cut off your ponytail, and go and take a look at what goes on in an ITV station! :lol: |
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Originally Posted by mikelincs
(Post 5237210)
It proves road worthiness in the same way an MOT does, i.e it says that on the DAY OF THE TEST, the vehicle was roadworthy, doesn't say anything about it's state the next day or any other day thereafter.
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Originally Posted by XTreme
(Post 5237256)
You believe the standard required to pass an ITV is comparable to that of an MOT? What about driving examination standards......on a par as well would you say?
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just to keep the thread going--In the UK you can buy a lhd car with Spanish plates on from www.lhdplace.com How would you go on with that?
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Originally Posted by stuart from barnsley
(Post 5239349)
just to keep the thread going--In the UK you can buy a lhd car with Spanish plates on from www.lhdplace.com How would you go on with that?
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Originally Posted by stuart from barnsley
(Post 5239349)
just to keep the thread going--In the UK you can buy a lhd car with Spanish plates on from www.lhdplace.com How would you go on with that?
If the road tax has not been paid, speeding and parking fines etc come with the car, so you must make sure all is paid up to date...... |
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