Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
Oct 19th 2011, 5:47 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
Oct 19th 2011, 5:53 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
He is going to create a Sociedad de Responsabilidad Limitada with his partner as he doesn't want a Unipersonal one, and get paid as employed under the Seguridad Social system. I think he said that the minimum social capital was 3K euros or so. He will be working like that for the next 12 months to check if the business is really viable as the crisis has badly affected him, and will keep that term to make sure that he can ask for unemployment help if the business is not good enough in the long term.
Oct 19th 2011, 5:55 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
Here's an interesting arrticle - apparently more companies have been formed this year (46,715, up 4.2% over last year), although 13,737 have folded. Hope the new companies have some luck - it's hard going out there. 
http://www.cotizalia.com/emprendedor...803-72043.html
http://www.cotizalia.com/emprendedor...803-72043.html
Oct 19th 2011, 6:08 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
The PP will most probably be getting in power next month despite not having aired a single policy on how they would solve the economic and unemployment problems. Well actually they have, they want to privatise more state services which will only be bad news imo, especially since I'm sure it will be their friends and family winning the work contracts 
I could be wrong saying this but surely the amount of corruption happening here must affect the international political and financial standing of Spain for instance do "experts" such as Standard and Poor take it into account when formulating their ratings.
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Oct 19th 2011, 6:34 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
Oct 19th 2011, 6:36 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
This has never been the case so unless the rules have changed your friend will find he cannot be an employee of his own Ltd Company (SL) and will have to pay autonomos. Hacienda also exclude immediate family members which is why you will find them on a friends payroll and their rellies on theirs.
Anyway, actually now you can create a Sociedad Unipersonal de Responsabilidad Limitada. Not sure if one can work under the SS system though. If not... friends....
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Oct 19th 2011, 6:38 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
PP, PSOE.... chorizos unos, chorizos los otros...
As the Indignados say: "No hay pan para tanto chorizo"
As the Indignados say: "No hay pan para tanto chorizo"
Oct 20th 2011, 9:03 am
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
That type of Ltd Co has been in existence for quite a few years now maybe 5 or more I cant remember.
However, whether anyone is the owner of that type of set up or an SL they cannot be an employee of that company. Directors pay autonomos and thus have no right to unemployment benefit.
To date Spain has no interest in encouraging entrepreneurial types and in my opinion does everything to discourage them.
Oct 20th 2011, 9:20 am
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That type of Ltd Co has been in existence for quite a few years now maybe 5 or more I cant remember.
However, whether anyone is the owner of that type of set up or an SL they cannot be an employee of that company. Directors pay autonomos and thus have no right to unemployment benefit.
To date Spain has no interest in encouraging entrepreneurial types and in my opinion does everything to discourage them.
However, whether anyone is the owner of that type of set up or an SL they cannot be an employee of that company. Directors pay autonomos and thus have no right to unemployment benefit.
To date Spain has no interest in encouraging entrepreneurial types and in my opinion does everything to discourage them.
Agree 100% with that and now they will really pay the price in the coming years...if not months
Oct 20th 2011, 12:38 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
That type of Ltd Co has been in existence for quite a few years now maybe 5 or more I cant remember.
However, whether anyone is the owner of that type of set up or an SL they cannot be an employee of that company. Directors pay autonomos and thus have no right to unemployment benefit.
To date Spain has no interest in encouraging entrepreneurial types and in my opinion does everything to discourage them.
However, whether anyone is the owner of that type of set up or an SL they cannot be an employee of that company. Directors pay autonomos and thus have no right to unemployment benefit.
To date Spain has no interest in encouraging entrepreneurial types and in my opinion does everything to discourage them.
Oct 20th 2011, 12:45 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
[QUOTE=evamar;9685704 I guess that the director of a SL will have to be somebody honorific without salary, so that the actual people behind the company can be working under the SS system.[/QUOTE]
The director of an sl is the owner or owners and will want a salary or drawing but in Spain is classed as autonomo and not an employee.
The director of an sl is the owner or owners and will want a salary or drawing but in Spain is classed as autonomo and not an employee.
Oct 20th 2011, 1:23 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
Yes, no way out. You have to use friends to get a contract under the SS as any relative working with you will also be under autónomos.
Autónomos system is terribly unfair if you are honest, that's why most will defraud as otherwise they don't get back what they pay into the system.
In these times when things are particularly bad they should be willing to facilitate people to create their own work rather than depending on the paro or simply lying in their taxes.
Autónomos system is terribly unfair if you are honest, that's why most will defraud as otherwise they don't get back what they pay into the system.
In these times when things are particularly bad they should be willing to facilitate people to create their own work rather than depending on the paro or simply lying in their taxes.
Oct 20th 2011, 1:30 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
Yes, no way out. You have to use friends to get a contract under the SS as any relative working with you will also be under autónomos.
Autónomos system is terribly unfair if you are honest, that's why most will defraud as otherwise they don't get back what they pay into the system.
In these times when things are particularly bad they should be willing to facilitate people to create their own work rather than depending on the paro or simply lying in their taxes.
Autónomos system is terribly unfair if you are honest, that's why most will defraud as otherwise they don't get back what they pay into the system.
In these times when things are particularly bad they should be willing to facilitate people to create their own work rather than depending on the paro or simply lying in their taxes.
Oct 20th 2011, 2:00 pm
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Re: Unfair Spanish tax system for self employed
Maybe we'll get it back but I need it now!!