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Too frightened to go to an International Court

http://gbc.gi/news/2237/spanish-asso...ltar-ministers

This is not the first time w8nkers from Spain have tried this tactic.

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Why didn't you bother to say what you really think in the title?

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http://www.juntadeandalucia.es/agric...oluzonasprodu/

This link shows the SITUACIÓN LEGAL ZONAS DE PRODUCCIÓN

It clearly shows that non of the zones cover Gibraltar water.

In fact they stop a good way short of the projected frontier lies.

For example go to Concha Fina

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In my naive way , my logic tells me that since Gibraltar is considered part of the UK for legal purposes, what a group of lawyers do in La Linea and the courts there, has no bearing on anything other than to provide a source of amusement.

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Quite, far to complimentary IMHO.

Warning to all Expats in the Granada region.

Stick those mugshots on your wall and avoid them like the plague.

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Gibraltar. Its an independant colony and truth be told, Britain would be well rid of it. Trouble is the government here feel obliged to stand up for it.

Being an independant colony, if Spain want it so bad why not just walk in there with its army? The UK is not likely to want to defend it the way they did the Falklands, so probably no fear of reprisals from the UK.

I'm sure Spain could sit there and ignore all the protestations over the invasion in the UN and EU. Just like the UK has done for many years:D

They could even do it the easy way. Pay its own citizens to move to Gib. Once enough are there get them to vote for Spanish to stand for government. Get a majority in government and then pass legislation to seccede from the UK and rejoin spain. Simple!

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I think the final word sums up your thought process adequately.

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Nothing wrong with my thought process DICK. The Uk would be far better off finacially without all the hangers on like Gib. Falklands and all the other commonwealth nations that suck money from the UK purse.

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Ha! just realised, Commonwealth. Its the UK's wealth being spread commonly around other nations! How better off would this country be without supporting places like Belize, India et al.

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Pitcairn Island would be a good place to start off-loading them IMO - what on earth does Britain want with the place anyway?


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...h-Pacific.html

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The reason the UK government feel "obliged" is because in the last referendum over 90% of the votes wanted to remain british. Otherwise, using your method, they could get rid of the whole of the north and just keep London and the S.E. :D

Anyway, it's clear that this is just a diversionary tactic by the spanish PM to divert press attention from him, personally.

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90% agreed to maintain their low tax regime, rip off those visitors who insist in paying in Euros and do as much as they can to P*** off the neighbours knowing that the " good old UK " will always step in to help them out.
How about a referendum in the UK to "allow " the Gibbos to stay British providing that they pay UK tax, UK VAT, and all companies registered or based there must conform to UK taxation rules.
Then they might deserve the support from the UK they keep asking for and reluctantly get.

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I waited a while in the hope you'd realize that one important factor, indeed the most important factor, was excluded from your posts.

Obviously in your world the future of the ppl living on Gib, some for many generations is totally irrelevant.

Freedom of choice, Democracy, the Will of the People, Decent principles....

........anything there that rings a bell ?

Like the fact that 99% of the population prefer not to live under Spanish rule ?

Thought not, obviously of no importance in your sort of world.

Now consider just for one moment just how you'd feel being treated in such a manner as that yourself, like a flock of sheep, shipped off from one caring farmer to the next who couldn't even care a monkeys uncle them...............

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90 % want to stay British, how many of that 90% want to pay UK tax and live under UK business rules.
There would be a 8 hour wait at the border as the tax dodgers queued up to leave for the next tax haven they could find.

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Gibraltar on OECD tax information exchange white list

http://www.risk.net/hedge-funds-revi...nge-white-list

Gibraltar qualifies and is on the White List of Jurisdictions as set out
by the OECD and G20.

http://www.fidux.com/articles/Gibraltar%20Position.pdf

Gibraltar joins OECD tax information exchange white list

http://www.hedgeweek.com/2009/10/25/...nge-white-list

Gibraltar now on OECD Tax Information Exchange ‘Wh
ite List

https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/images/...9/205-2009.pdf

The Spanish right wing newspaper ABC has recently reported the Spanish ministry of foreign affairs has instructed its ambassadors world wide to make representations to the competent authorities in the various countries that ‘Spain does not accept that Gibraltar sign agreements on tax information exchanges where at the signing ceremony the United Kingdom flag is not on display’.

http://www.panorama.gi/localnews/hea...=9867&offset=0

https://www.google.co.uk/#bav=on.2,o...tax+white+list

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I love stories like this. Classic Pot calling kettle black.

I'd probably have a fabulous, even orgasmic rant if it were the EU behind it, because the EU seeks a monopoly on high tax, and Gib is certainly a traitor in that respect, with the UK's full complicity (IIRC, doesn't the UK hold more tax havens than any other country?). That's OK, because Europe's taxes are far too high anyway, and needs competition.

Anyway, what a bunch of crap. Are they really that desperate? This is getting pretty serious. More serious than I ever would've expected. I hope this doesn't extend further than just a war of words...

We shall see...

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I see the border looks very busy tonight on the frontier cameras

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Well what it means in reality at the moment is that none of our politicians can risk going to Spain. They will also have to be very careful about flying anywhere because should they get diverted ???

Hopefully though this little tantrum by Spain will bring the matter to a head.

Gibraltar is quite willing , in fact has requested that the whole matter is taken to an international court. Spain is frightened to do this because her case is so weak.

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Spain is closed today so the poor souls queueing are Spaniards, no Gibraltarians have any need to go to Spain today.

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A little bit of interesting information is that all Gibraltarians can go to the UK for higher education, apply for students loans from the UK, and then the Gib Government pay these off. It was on Wikipedia, if I have this wrong.

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That dark red sprinter van at the back has been there over a hour

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Gibraltar Government Information Services have been busy.

;)

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The report on the border queues on the BBC lunchtime news today fell a bit flat - they were saying vehicles including tourist buses had been queuing for five hours then a bus went past (with no passengers on it!) and they tried to ask one car driver how long she'd been queuing. She looked away, covered her face with her hand, obviously not wanting to comment, and the man sitting next to her leaned over and said "one hour". I don't remember the presenter saying much after that.

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Are you suggesting that people may be afraid to talk, fearing reprisals?
If that's true, this just isn't right. Really.
And they always laugh if I suggest Spain has anything in common with North Africa.

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Don't be even more ridiculous than usual.

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What then, was the point of your post? I was just following your lead.

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That typically for TV reporters, they try to make everything look as bad as possible then when they ask someone a question, rather than backing up what the presenter has been saying, the answer is not what they expected and it's a case of "Moving swiftly on ....".

Something else you've totally misinterpreted.

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So are you saying that they are all lying about the 5 hour queues then:blink::confused:

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There are quite a few Gibraltarian students here in Chichester.

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OK thanks for clearing that up. I reckon nobody else got that impression then.

Bit I have to suspect if it were CMan spewing something "even more ridiculous than usual", then you'd both be off on some rant about how none of this is really happening, it's just the evil media exaggerating it.

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No, for Heaven's sake, just that one TV presenter, on one day, was left looking rather silly.

As TV presenters often are, on many other issues besides this one.

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Yesterday afternoon, approx 33 seconds in, was funny, I was watching it live at the time !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKosWhRVd5U

Not relative to this but thought id share it

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they would be better off taking on their own friends, relatives and colleagues who approve the faulty documentation that is approved when sanctioning the sale of illegal houses.
An abogado takes an oath to uphold the law - so when did you last hear of one that has been prosecuted for being involved in illegal house sales ??

Any legal action they may try to take in the Spanish courts against Gibraltar and/or its duely elected members is going to be met with the same reaction if they should endeavour to do the same against the Govt of Egypt.
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Am I the only one here who finds this thread title offensive, coming from someone who or something that doesn't live in Spain ?

Has no one else twigged the fact that FREDBARGATE is not a person but the Gibraltar Government Information Services office of spin-doctors that would have put Tony Blair's to shame ?

Two threads about Gibraltar running at the same time ?

Eight or more threads turned towards putting the Gibraltar point of view in the last month?

A slew of links from the office about the 'White List' in one post ?

Yes, Gibraltar for the Gibraltese, but what the ***** is going on in BritishExpats ?

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Maybe you are the only one. I don't live in Spain, but lived in Gib for a while, I feel that anything I have to comment on any situation, whether I've lived there or not, I should be allowed to do so.

If you are offended, why not Block the poster?

The title is one persons opinion. If you disagree with the sentiment, the way they express themselves isn't really any of your business.

This is a forum with many different opinions and many people who want to express them. Forums are supposed to be contentious, or at least provoke debate.
I would think that as a thinking person, one should have views on the news wherever in the world it is.

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As long as it is one person.

What I am pointing out is that it is a well co-ordinated PR campaign.

I don't block the poster because I believe in free speech, as long as the organisation behind it declares itself.

https://www.gibraltar.gov.gi/press-office

And as I can't reiterate enough Gibraltar for the Gibraltese.

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Nothing fresh there then, we've had our own Minister of Spanish Propaganda operating on BE for quite a while now.

Quite entertaining at times, though maybe not always so accurate on the factual side as Fred B. ;)

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I have said in nearly every single post 'Gibraltar for the Gibraltese, not the Spanish', fool.

It's idiots like you who are being fooled by the 'sovereignty smokescreen' to excuse anything illegal that happens in Gibraltar. Criticize Gibraltar and you are unpatriotic and in favour of handing The Rock back.

Can't you see what could happen behind that sort of thinking ?

You're a smart guy DD, work it out for yourself.

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Double standards? Spain is trying to shut down Gib's bunkering claiming it is bad for the environment. When did Spain ever worry about the environment? Anyway, from today's paper,
Bunkering brawl as Galicia agrees to refueling at anchor off its coastline
“While Cañete accuses those who practice bunkering at anchor of environmental crimes, his party colleagues allow it in the Ferrol Estuary.”
http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/08/15/...46_172586.html

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Spain might also be a lot better off if it ditched it's enclaves in Morocco, what's sauce for the Goose.... or 'people in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones'...