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Old Apr 1st 2021, 9:12 am
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Originally Posted by VEDShappy View Post
Do you have a link for this?
https://www.express.co.uk/news/polit...exit-documents

Apparently it's in The Times as well.
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Originally Posted by Stingychips View Post
3 British from East London. Do you even get British in East London these days? I thought it more resembles the slums of Mumbai
You can have a different ethnicity and still have been born in Britain, and therefore British.
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Old Apr 1st 2021, 10:21 am
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Originally Posted by bobd22 View Post
How accurate this is I don't know as it is the Mirror, I like the bit where it says they had armed police present, errr fairly normal to have police at the airport and all Spanish police are armed, but let's make it sound more dramatic than it is. Thing is it looks like they do intend to impose the rules and where easier than at the airport. Another point mentioned in the article that doesn't ring true to me is "People with letters telling them to collect their residency cards were denied entry". However its been discussed on a number of threads that when you apply for a TIE or an exchange to TIE you get no letter or information sent telling you the card is ready for collection? Rather they either tell you at time of application when to make an appointment to collect or wait at least 45 days to do that.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...spain-23832596
With ref to collecting your TIE, at the fingerprint appointment (at least in Alicante) they staple a card telling you when to go and collect your TIE, ours is 10 weeks from the first appointment, our neighbour had seven weeks on his paperwork. (but our solicitor said they could check when the batch we were in was complete so we wouldn't waste a trip).

So Im assuming you 'could' use this to get back to Spain. A solicitors letter and contact might be OK.

What really surprises me, is the fact that some of these people are even getting to Spain in the first place.
And how some of them were 'not aware' that they should not be travelling.

My main question in all this would be. If you arrive at Alicante and are immediately sent back, do you have to go into quarantine and take the two covid tests? Or are you free to just go back to your daily life safe in the knowledge that you are now a laughing stock.
Would be funny to not get your holiday but end up in a hotel back in the Uk at a ridiculous cost.
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Originally Posted by Barriej View Post
With ref to collecting your TIE, at the fingerprint appointment (at least in Alicante) they staple a card telling you when to go and collect your TIE, ours is 10 weeks from the first appointment, our neighbour had seven weeks on his paperwork. (but our solicitor said they could check when the batch we were in was complete so we wouldn't waste a trip).

So Im assuming you 'could' use this to get back to Spain. A solicitors letter and contact might be OK.

What really surprises me, is the fact that some of these people are even getting to Spain in the first place.
And how some of them were 'not aware' that they should not be travelling.

My main question in all this would be. If you arrive at Alicante and are immediately sent back, do you have to go into quarantine and take the two covid tests? Or are you free to just go back to your daily life safe in the knowledge that you are now a laughing stock.
Would be funny to not get your holiday but end up in a hotel back in the Uk at a ridiculous cost.
OK that's different to here in Malaga region they tell you verbally for me they said make an appointment to collect in 50 days time. The Cita site when you make the appointment says if you haven't been told when to make an appointment then ensure 45 days have elapsed before making the appointment. Also if you had the card you mention surely you would have the paperwork showing you had made the application? Also how have they actually been travelling during the period of no travel back and forth to the UK imposed by both countries. To me it doesn't add up and at the end of the day its up to the Spanish officials just as in UK its down to UK officials.
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Why did the British nationals even attempt to travel to Spain without a TIE card. Surly the logical thing to do would have been to wait a day or two extra for when Spain lifts its travel ban to British citizens.
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Originally Posted by Barriej View Post
Would be funny to not get your holiday but end up in a hotel back in the Uk at a ridiculous cost.
Even funnier to also be handed a £5,000 fine for leaving the country without a valid reason!

Who's policing that anyway, surely not Ryanair checkin staff?

EDIT:

Just spotted this on El Pais, the latest from the British Embassy in Madrid.

"The embassy said that the new list of acceptable documents has been sent to airlines and other travel operators to ensure that passengers are not denied boarding due to confusion over this issue."

For proof of residence it says: (my bold)
  • Residence card issued under Article 18.4 of the Withdrawal Agreement (the TIE – Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero)
  • Temporary or permanent EU residence certificate (Certificado de Registro de Ciudadanos de la Unión)
  • Receipt of application for the TIE (Resguardo de presentación de la solicitud de la tarjeta de residencia)
  • Confirmation of the positive outcome of your residence application (Resolución favorable por la que se concede la tarjeta de residencia)
  • In the absence of any of the above documents, other documents that credibly evidence your legal residence in Spain before January 1, 2021, such as a padrón certificate (issued by your town hall), a work contract, a rental contract, or proof of property purchase
  • In the case of students, documentation that demonstrates enrolment in an on-site or in-person course and proof of accommodation"

Since when did any of those highlighted documents credibly evidence residence legal or otherwise?





























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Originally Posted by Notdunroamin View Post
Even funnier to also be handed a £5,000 fine for leaving the country without a valid reason!

Who's policing that anyway, surely not Ryanair checkin staff?

EDIT:

Just spotted this on El Pais, the latest from the British Embassy in Madrid.

"The embassy said that the new list of acceptable documents has been sent to airlines and other travel operators to ensure that passengers are not denied boarding due to confusion over this issue."

For proof of residence it says: (my bold)
  • Residence card issued under Article 18.4 of the Withdrawal Agreement (the TIE – Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero)
  • Temporary or permanent EU residence certificate (Certificado de Registro de Ciudadanos de la Unión)
  • Receipt of application for the TIE (Resguardo de presentación de la solicitud de la tarjeta de residencia)
  • Confirmation of the positive outcome of your residence application (Resolución favorable por la que se concede la tarjeta de residencia)
  • In the absence of any of the above documents, other documents that credibly evidence your legal residence in Spain before January 1, 2021, such as a padrón certificate (issued by your town hall), a work contract, a rental contract, or proof of property purchase
  • In the case of students, documentation that demonstrates enrolment in an on-site or in-person course and proof of accommodation"

Since when did any of those highlighted documents credibly evidence residence legal or otherwise?





























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I wonder if a British passport holder who is married to a Spanish national, would be allowed in before the blanket restrictions are lifted.
The person in question has been a Uk resident for over 4 years, due to having aged parents in the UK, it was not possible to be a resident in Spain and is actually still not possible to become resident.
There are some issues that need sorting out for the couple due to having a business in Spain. Would this senario be acceptable to gain entry to spain, to seek legal help and to spend some time with their spouse?
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Originally Posted by hughandi View Post
I wonder if a British passport holder who is married to a Spanish national, would be allowed in before the blanket restrictions are lifted.
The person in question has been a Uk resident for over 4 years, due to having aged parents in the UK, it was not possible to be a resident in Spain and is actually still not possible to become resident.
There are some issues that need sorting out for the couple due to having a business in Spain. Would this senario be acceptable to gain entry to spain, to seek legal help and to spend some time with their spouse?
Do they hold a Spanish residence card? Based on the above, it's unlikely.
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Do they hold a Spanish residence card? Based on the above, it's unlikely.
the person in question gave up spanish residency about 4 years ago, otherwise there wouldn't have been any national health cover in the UK, should the need arise.
the couple in question are not legally separated, they are very much still a married couple, but circumstances keep them apart, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
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the person in question gave up spanish residency about 4 years ago, otherwise there wouldn't have been any national health cover in the UK, should the need arise.
the couple in question are not legally separated, they are very much still a married couple, but circumstances keep them apart, and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.
They'll likely need a Spanish visit visa, which as it's not essential travel or returning to their home, isn't likely to be granted anytime soon.

Also, there are restrictions as to why anyone can leave the UK at present, including travelling to an air or sea port for the purposes of travel, so they'd be out of luck there too.
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They'll likely need a Spanish visit visa, which as it's not essential travel or returning to their home, isn't likely to be granted anytime soon.

Also, there are restrictions as to why anyone can leave the UK at present, including travelling to an air or sea port for the purposes of travel, so they'd be out of luck there too.
one spouse is Spanish and lives in Spain, they have been married for well over 25 years, the other is British and is a UK resident, who needs to get to Spain, to sort out paperwork due to the death of a sibling a few months ago.

Does also having an immediate family member in Spain (spouse) help gain entry to spain for a non resident?

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Originally Posted by hughandi View Post
one spouse is Spanish and lives in Spain, they have been married for well over 25 years, the other is British and is a UK resident, who needs to get to Spain, to sort out paperwork due to the death of a sibling a few months ago.

Does also having an immediate family member in Spain (spouse) help gain entry to spain for a non resident?
Spain lays down permitted categories of people allowed to enter, other than EU and Schengen area citizens:
  • People traveling for imperative family reasons who can demonstrate an essential need to travel.
All of the circumstances above must be justified by documentary evidence. You should be aware that you may be questioned on arrival by Spanish border authorities to ensure you meet the entry requirements. Spanish border authorities will only grant entry if they are satisfied that your journey to Spain is essential and reserve the right to deny passage.'
Entry requirements - Spain travel advice - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

So the UK citizen will need documentary evidence to travel, such as the sibling's death certificate, and a letter from lawyer in Spain why their presence is essential. The fact they have a spouse in Spain may be immaterial.
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Originally Posted by hughandi View Post
one spouse is Spanish and lives in Spain, they have been married for well over 25 years, the other is British and is a UK resident, who needs to get to Spain, to sort out paperwork due to the death of a sibling a few months ago.

Does also having an immediate family member in Spain (spouse) help gain entry to spain for a non resident?
The Spanish consolute web page says yes, as long as the relevant documentation can be shown at the border (if they were married in Britain I'm not sure if the marriage certificate has to be accompanied with a Spanish translation but it might help):

Requisitos de entrada en España

As for fulfilling British exit conditions... maybe they could go to visit an estate agents? Family reunion is not one of the permitted exit conditions.

The death of a sibling comes under "H) people who are travelling for essential and justified family matters". Justified meaning being able to show paperwork. That is a permitted British exit condition and Spanish entry condition.

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Spain lays down permitted categories of people allowed to enter, other than EU and Schengen area citizens:
  • People traveling for imperative family reasons who can demonstrate an essential need to travel.
All of the circumstances above must be justified by documentary evidence. You should be aware that you may be questioned on arrival by Spanish border authorities to ensure you meet the entry requirements. Spanish border authorities will only grant entry if they are satisfied that your journey to Spain is essential and reserve the right to deny passage.'
Entry requirements - Spain travel advice - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

So the UK citizen will need documentary evidence to travel, such as the sibling's death certificate, and a letter from lawyer in Spain why their presence is essential. The fact they have a spouse in Spain may be immaterial.
That sounds good news, all the paperwork can be sent over, the business side of things is important as both siblings were part owners of a successful business, and its imperative that the legal aspect is sorted out, the business employs quite a large number of people.

This is posted on ryanair website, an updated version following passengers being refused entry when arriving at border control Spain.1. Passengers are not allowed to enter Spain.

This does not apply to:

- Nationals and residents of Spain;

- Passengers returning via Spain to their place of residency in Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czechia, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland (Rep.), Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden or Switzerland;

- Passengers with a long-term visa issued by a Schengen Member State, returning via Spain to their country of residence;

- Immediate family members of a national of Spain traveling together or traveling to join the national of Spain;

- Healthcare or elderly care professionals in the performance of their duties;

- Transport of goods personnel;

- Diplomats, international organizations, military personnel and members of humanitarian organizations in the performance of their duties;

- People traveling for imperative family reasons duly accredited;

- Persons who document reasons of force majeure or situation of need, or whose entry is permitted for humanitarian reasons.

2. Passengers are required to self-quarantine for 14 days.

- This does not apply to transport of goods personnel.

- This does not apply to healthcare professionals in the performance of their duties if they have not been in contact with patients of Coronavirus (COVID-19).

3. A completed Public Health Passenger Locator Form must be presented upon arrival.

4. Passengers can only land at Alicante (ALC), Barcelona (BCN), Fuerteventura (FUE), Gran Canaria (LPA), Ibiza (IBZ), Madrid (MAD), Malaga (ADP), Menorca(MAH), Lanzarote (ACE), Palma de Mallorca (PMI), Sevilla (SVQ), Tenerife-Sur (TFS) or Valencia (VLC).

- This does not apply to emergency, humanitarian or medical flights and technical stops.

it seems at the moment, having an immediate family who is a Spanish national does help to gain entry. Although some info can be misleading and subject to change at any given moment.



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