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Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by guirijohn
(Post 10409726)
I agree, one of the pleasures of travel on Spain´s trains is that it is so peaceful.
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Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10409729)
Maybe they should use some of the empty rolling stock as luxury accomodation for some of those poor sods getting chucked out of their homes onto the streets. :cool: Other, nonviolent critics say the country's massive investment in high speed rail has come at the expense of other, less-glamorous forms of transportation. Starved of funds, Spain's antiquated freight-train network has fallen into disuse, forcing businesses to move their goods around by road. That means the Spanish economy is unusually sensitive to changes in the price of crude oil |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 10409817)
According to the Renfe website, 29 services each weekday from Madrid to Valladolid. A mixture of train types too, AVE, AVANT, Intercity, Alvia and others. So they don't seem to be exactly stuck for options. As the fares for the AVANT service I was on are higher than most others, people are obviously prepared to pay. They didn't all look like business travellers either, hardly surprising at that time of day.
I have just returned from Oliva and for the first time noticed the effects of the recession. There were long queues at the farmacias as the chemists had not been paid for the drugs by the state. Try asking those who require medications and were queuing what they think of the money being spent on the AVE. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 10409828)
But that is one of life's enduring mysteries to me - why can Spanish people be so quiet on trains, talking in hushed voices, when they seem to like to make as much noise as possible everywhere else?:rofl:
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Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by johnnyone
(Post 10410640)
I have just returned from Oliva and for the first time noticed the effects of the recession. There were long queues at the farmacias as the chemists had not been paid for the drugs by the state. Try asking those who require medications and were queuing what they think of the money being spent on the AVE. http://www.diariosur.es/v/20121125/m...-20121125.html |
Re: Train development news
I wonder where Aggy & co think countries earn their money from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haramai...d_Rail_Project On 26 October 2011, the Saudi Railways Organization announced that the Saudi-Spanish consortium Al‑Shoula Group, which includes Talgo, Renfe, Adif, Copasa, Imathia, Consultrans, Ineco, Cobra, Indra, Dimetronic, Inabensa, OHL, AL-Shoula and Al-Rosan, had been chosen for the contract.[14][15] Talgo will supply 35 Talgo 350 trains similar to those used on Spanish high speed lines, with an option for 23 more.[1] Renfe and Adif will operate the trains and manage the line for 12 years.[1] The total contract value is EUR 6.736 billion (approximately US$9.4 billion |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 10409933)
I thought you were going to suggest they move them on goods trains, thanks to AVE, they haven't got many of those, goods are mainly moved by road nowadays.
. I have spent a lot of time driving around the Spanish motorways and there are not as many lorries as I've been stuck behind in the UK, or even in Italy where outside of Rome the 2 lane motorway was jammed packed, with more lorries than cars Maybe it helps that Spain consumes a lot of local produce. I know that in the 3 places we've lived, almost all our fruit, vegetables and meat have come from within 100km of where we've lived. You can buy goods from far away but it is very easy to find good local produce |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 10410756)
I wonder where Aggy & co think countries earn their money from?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haramai...d_Rail_Project Current high speed projects that Spanish firms are bidding for, include the US, Russia, Brazil, India and Israel. Now they may not win those contracts (fairly sure that Israel and Brazil are unlikely) but they are in the market. It's just a shame that the UK (which invented rail travel remember) has neglected its industry to such an extent that it can no longer bid for the big contracts. Still, keep on paying the 20 billion+ on housing benefit, hey. At the same time sneer at Spanish trains as being a waste of money. :unsure: Stevie, I sometimes find it hard to take you seriously. You consider it more important to blow money on a prestige train sevice that will never pay for itself than to keep folk from being thrown on the streets and having no roofs over their heads. :confused: As for overseas contracts,there is no guarantee they will make anything at all, until such time as they've all been paid for and the final reckoning has been done. In fact if they haven't got their sums right as is obviously common practice in Spain, they may even end up losing a shedfull of money on that as well. You must live in a fantasy world of your own completely surrounded by trains and nothing else matters,...oh of course apart from the tapas bars in Madrid. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 10410723)
Read this a couple of days ago, it's Málaga, but It's probably the same elsewhere. Basically it's about people like dentists, farmacias, notarios, architects etc suffering the crisis, something unthinkable a few years ago. As you say, queues at the farmacias, and they blame this on the fact their workload has doubled due to the copago thingy and that they have had to lay off staff. One is asking permission to stay open Sundays and holidays, dentist accepting payment by monthly installments. Others are deferring payment to their drug suppliers as they simply can't pay them, others are closing. And now the pensioners will lose their €253 bonus in January. It's belt tightening time all around. Apart from the AVE!
http://www.diariosur.es/v/20121125/m...-20121125.html Hell, you think it's bad there ? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19682049 "A City with no Medicine" but they do have an F1 circuit that will see no more F1 races. a huge Americas Cup infrastucture that will see no more America Cups. An new airport up the road thats never seen an aeroplane. An Opera House costing 400million plus 40million a year to run that sees a mere 15 performances per annum. and most important of all by far,... they have Stevies new train service. Pharmacies here have been running out of medicines and money for many months, the debts are phenomenal, borrowing money of the govt,who in turn are borrowing it of the Germans, just where their hairbrained train scheme first began. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Instead of spending money they don't have on German designed trains they should get themselves up to Germany for a few basic lessons in economics. ....but no,not even that. Their latest tactic according to the BBC link is to try shooting the messenger ! :confused: |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10410810)
Instead of spending money they don't have on German designed trains they should get themselves up to Germany for a few basic lessons in economics. http://chemtrailsevilla.wordpress.co...farro-espanol/ |
Re: Train development news
Poor Aggy, so jealous of Spain's train network he has to pollute this thread. Maybe by 2030 the UK will start to enter the 21st century?
But hey, easy enough for me to keep a bookmark and show again the export contracts Spain have recently won in the last year..I'll leave googling up and quoting 2009 websites (the freight one - wondered why he didn't post the link :rofl: ) to Aggy... http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/loca...land-train-job http://www.thecorner.eu/2012/04/spai...pply-contract/ http://www.railwaygazette.com/news/s...-contract.html http://www.track2infra.com/indian-ra...nfe-operadora/ |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10410810)
Hell, you think it's bad there ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-19682049 "A City with no Medicine" but they do have an F1 circuit that will see no more F1 races. a huge Americas Cup infrastucture that will see no more America Cups. An new airport up the road thats never seen an aeroplane. An Opera House costing 400million plus 40million a year to run that sees a mere 15 performances per annum. and most important of all by far,... they have Stevies new train service. Pharmacies here have been running out of medicines and money for many months, the debts are phenomenal, borrowing money of the govt,who in turn are borrowing it of the Germans, just where their hairbrained train scheme first began. Robbing Peter to pay Paul. Instead of spending money they don't have on German designed trains they should get themselves up to Germany for a few basic lessons in economics. ....but no,not even that. Their latest tactic according to the BBC link is to try shooting the messenger ! :confused: AVE is a snowball that can be slowed but not stopped. And like the UK, if they gave all that money to the NHS, Schools etc, they would only squander it. The answer is getting the value for money out of the money you have - in that impolite American speak Get More Bang For Your Buck. ` |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 10410860)
but that applies to the UK !
AVE is a snowball that can be slowed but not stopped. And like the UK, if they gave all that money to the NHS, Schools etc, they would only squander it. The answer is getting the value for money out of the money you have - in that impolite American speak Get More Bang For Your Buck. ` The last Socialist govt didn't have a clue about finance,economics or value for money,pretty well par for the course with Socialist govts, just as in Spain. Up to now the present govt is still struggling to sort out the mess and are sensibly putting a cap on housing benefits. However to prioritise prestige new trains and other brainless schemes before medicine supplies and homeless people being thrown on the streets as in Spain, is just crazy. |
Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10410873)
Under preesent circumstances the new UK train scheme is almost as stupid as the AVE.
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Re: Train development news
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 10410873)
Under preesent circumstances the new UK train scheme is almost as stupid as the AVE.
The last Socialist govt didn't have a clue about finance,economics or value for money,pretty well par for the course with Socialist govts, just as in Spain. Up to now the present govt is still struggling to sort out the mess and are sensibly putting a cap on housing benefits. However to prioritise prestige new trains and other brainless schemes before medicine supplies and homeless people being thrown on the streets as in Spain, is just crazy. the UK has no need of such a system which isnt even near the chalkboard letalone the stone. as to the why's and wherefores of medical supplies - well, having just paid 10% of the list price for my meds there is room for improvement in self financing - the UK charges £7.65 per line item whilst I have just paid as little as €0.38. OK if in the UK mine would now be free, as it is for a large number of people but there are still quite a few millions who are paying the full whack. homeless people is a problem that Spain has had to live with, the banks have to realise it is better to have someone living there than lying derelict. The UK has its Social Housing network. But at the end of the day if you didn't get your interest on the money deposited with the bank because they had become social landlords you would also be up in arms. its all a mess, there are many things to sort out, but stop the major contracts and there will be more people out of work, unable to pay their mortgages and becoming homeless ` |
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