Re: Too fat to fly?
 

Another good example of people blaming everyone else but themselves!
There are people out there that can´t get through a standard size door, so where do you draw the line?

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

What is a reasonable size ???

A female model ?

A jockey ?

A professional rugby player.?

All generally fit but not the same size

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

Probably within about half a kilo of Mr O´Leary?

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

Quite right - I see American are squeezing in an extra seat in each row by reducing seat width by 1" and narrowing the aisles. Perversely, this when the general population is getting larger because of better nutrition. Airline seat standard sizes were originally set several decades ago when people were generally a lot smaller. Another example of economy passengers being treated as cattle (milch cows?) by greedy airlines.

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

They havent made seats bigger, they have made them much smaller

I am only 6 foot but still the seats are incredibly uncomfortable

It is not up to you to decide how much somebody should weigh. In my opinion, if a person has bought a seat but cannot fit in it, then the airline should be obliged to accommodate them, unless they clearly state when you buy the seat that you must be a certain height and weight. In which case, they would probably closed down for discrimination

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

This a bit of a "fattist" response - probably from someone who is genetically predisposed to thinness ;)

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

The flip side of that coin is clear.
I for one don´t like rubbing shoulders with that of a "heavier" person when they are effectively invading my space.
Your "thinnest" attitude would suggest being one genetically predisposed to fatness?

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

No neither would I, so blame the airline! They are failing to give you a comfortable flying experience

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

Haven´t you reaised how out of step your thinking is on this subject compared with your usual posts.?

In fact you have done a 180 degree turn, but then again if we were talking about overweight British expats in Spain, I am sure you would be blaming them.

You blame the victim for almost everything in Spain, from being not able to speak the language, not knowing the law inside out, and employing dodgy lawyers, and ending up with an illegal property. According to you the victim is resposible for his own hardship/problams/downfall.

Yet here we have a case of FAT/OBESE people who have been gorging themselves over a long period of time, squeezing their bulk into seating that is bursting at the seams, spilling over into the personal space of other passengers, spoiling their flight, and yet in this case IT IS THE AIRLINES FAULT.

Why the radical change of heart, why is it the airlines fault, because if we follow your usual train of thought, then the "bigger folk" know that airline seats are of a certain size and should have made sure that they do not exceed the boundaries of said seating.

Sorry to have strayed off topic, but surely I can't be the only one that has noticed the irony.

I think your post should be in the double standards section in PDT.

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

You entirely missed my point: Without admitting to either state (in fact I'm nicely in the middle in my opinion) if one is genetically predisposed to being large then there is not an awful lot one can do about it so why should you be discriminated against. You would be the first to complain if you were allocated a smaller seat or asked to share if you happened to be thin or small :rofl:
I'm advocating a bit of fairness and balance in the discussion.

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

No double standards at all

Buying a property is the very difinition of a legal transaction. As Marx would say, property is power and the start of all inequality i.e. owning property comes with responsibility. A responsibility to know the law, to understand the terms of the sale and to comprehend the environment in which you are buying. After all, when you buy property, you are buying a piece of that country.

On the other hand, airlines want to make profits by making people fly as uncomfortably as possible and then blaming fat people

A bit like how the Tories and the PP want to take more money from the general population to give it to rich people, but try and make you blame the poor people for them doing so :D

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

Not a very liberal point of view - in fact it's bordering on fascist! Let's prevent people with genes which predispose bigger - taller, broader and yes fatter - frames from flying, in fact let's ensure that the human face is evolved to fit airline seats!
I bet Mr O'Leary is having a good laugh, rubbing his hands in glee at the thought of all that extra dough!

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

OMG.

Really fat people are by their very nature uncomfortable in their everyday life, and altering the seating on an aircraft and possibly pushing up the price for the other passengers will not alter their lives at all.

I have seen overweight people in shoe shops, who cannot put their shoes on or even take them off, due to excess weight.

In my local a hairdresser an extremely overweight woman cannot have a "backwash or even a frontwash" and has to arrive with her hair already wet, ready for styling/cutting.

I have been in local bars, where customers cannot use the toilets, due to the fact that they cannot manoevre in such small places.

Airline seating is just another obstacle for overweight people and for most it is minor consideration, because it is not something they do everyday.

So should every situation where overweight people are uncomfortable be changed at great cost to business , or should the people affected be responsible for their own predicament, and look to themselves for a solution?

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

All companies cater for the majorities. Even when they know they will lose customers. Regardless of the product. Super car manufacturers never consider obese people as their audience.
You´re right in saying that it´s a discrimination but one I find quite understandable.
Besides, over average sized people are accommodated. You need to be pretty darn huge not to fit. In an industry whereby weight costs money.
I´m sorry but I fail to sympathise.
Perhaps as "nicely in the middle" type people, we might discuss this further one day in our comfortably adequate allocated seats :thumbsup:

Re: Too fat to fly?
 

Ideally yes, there would be no fat people, as it is a pretty easy thing for an individual person to solve logically, but emotionally it isnt

We have to realise that people come in all shapes and sizes. Airlines are selling seats for people, not just for small and thin people. So they should take that into account in the design of their aircraft.

Saying that fat people shouldnt be allowed or should pay extra is the thin end of a wedge that would lead us to the bad old days of apartheid or even the Third Reich

By the way, I've always wondered how the hell basketball players fly around the world :) They can't all afford a private jet or first class tickets