State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Jun 8th 2012, 2:56 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
if someone wants to jump in and take a contract without reading it or understanding what the conditions are then its their lookout.
I remember a TEFL tutor who had a class consisting 2xNepalese, 1xChinese, 2xPakistani, 1xIndian and a couple of other nationalities I have forgotten.
Couldnt speak a word of their languages but got them talking and writing in English from 3 hour weekly sessions. At the end of the course they all took a charabang to the seaside and used their English.
I remember a TEFL tutor who had a class consisting 2xNepalese, 1xChinese, 2xPakistani, 1xIndian and a couple of other nationalities I have forgotten.
Couldnt speak a word of their languages but got them talking and writing in English from 3 hour weekly sessions. At the end of the course they all took a charabang to the seaside and used their English.
Jun 8th 2012, 3:02 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
might have been, but I don't remember any cameras there.
I prepared some of the teaching aids/graphics and also the map from town to seaside as well as a map of seaside with a few pictures
I have to say I was impressed with the teaching to take such a disparate class that far
but .....
I prepared some of the teaching aids/graphics and also the map from town to seaside as well as a map of seaside with a few pictures
I have to say I was impressed with the teaching to take such a disparate class that far
but .....
Jun 8th 2012, 3:43 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Yes I thought that, probably worse now. Most of the rosy side of teaching in Spain is put out by hundreds of private academies advertising "Get your TEFL in 4 weeks" type of rubbish. A friends partner went out to Madrid years ago, he had this teaching job full of promises...he was back in about 5 weeks, couldn't afford to live
Thats why many of those jobs are advertised...people can't afford to take them. One in Marbella advertises every few months.
Thats why many of those jobs are advertised...people can't afford to take them. One in Marbella advertises every few months.Fine for a year or 2 larking about, or as a back up to a proper wage earning partner, but for a family man/woman lacking in all aspects.
A bit like being a paper boy or pizza delivery person, not usually a lifelong job...........
Jun 8th 2012, 4:02 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Ok so i see its a v split view on whether its a good thing to move over or not! I know that its not something that will be taken lightly, i will not be jumping in without thinking it through especially considering i have a 2.5 yr old to think about. I will come out in Sept as planned and see what there is or isnt on offer. We were looking at Gibralter for places to work but not to live. If it doesnt work out i know that i will be moving away from the area i live in the UK.
Sorry again to have sparked up such a debate
Sorry again to have sparked up such a debate
Jun 8th 2012, 4:34 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
The people who usually do the TEFL type jobs are usually sharing flats or such, like starving artists, jobbing actors, musicians, models etc, who dont earn a regular wage, TEFL as a long term career is laughable in most cases, but as a stopgap into the "adult working world" it serves a purpose.
Fine for a year or 2 larking about, or as a back up to a proper wage earning partner, but for a family man/woman lacking in all aspects.
A bit like being a paper boy or pizza delivery person, not usually a lifelong job...........
Fine for a year or 2 larking about, or as a back up to a proper wage earning partner, but for a family man/woman lacking in all aspects.
A bit like being a paper boy or pizza delivery person, not usually a lifelong job...........
Jun 8th 2012, 5:11 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Yeah good for a gap year, a few hours of not so strenuous work, a bit of minimal preparation, plenty of free time for the terraces and tan top up, short hours, speaking your own language,a few bob in your pocket, a doddle really.
In fact I just might do a year myself......
In fact I just might do a year myself......
Jun 8th 2012, 6:05 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Serious, on a Friday night? I'll try it for a few minutes.
For various reasons I knew the manager of a local CAM bank rather well. It was a major branch and she was in charge of allocating mortgage funds to developers and private individuals.
Once I knew more about the operation, I closed my account and moved it elsewhere. Mortgages were granted to anyone, even the most unlikely applicants, without any checks whatsoever, provided they came via a certain local estate agent.
I knew four years ago that the whole edifice would come crashing down, the local Mercedes dealer couldn't get the cars in fast enough and I've seen a dozen people having breakfast in a local cafe, all dressed in Armani suits.
I did see one particular mortgage application and it made me laugh so much I spilled my coffee over it. It sailed through and is one of the many properties now abandoned and on the bank's books for a value that makes me laugh every time I think of it, or drive past it.
This explains some of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...nks-corruption
For various reasons I knew the manager of a local CAM bank rather well. It was a major branch and she was in charge of allocating mortgage funds to developers and private individuals.
Once I knew more about the operation, I closed my account and moved it elsewhere. Mortgages were granted to anyone, even the most unlikely applicants, without any checks whatsoever, provided they came via a certain local estate agent.
I knew four years ago that the whole edifice would come crashing down, the local Mercedes dealer couldn't get the cars in fast enough and I've seen a dozen people having breakfast in a local cafe, all dressed in Armani suits.
I did see one particular mortgage application and it made me laugh so much I spilled my coffee over it. It sailed through and is one of the many properties now abandoned and on the bank's books for a value that makes me laugh every time I think of it, or drive past it.
This explains some of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...nks-corruption
Jun 8th 2012, 7:10 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Serious, on a Friday night? I'll try it for a few minutes.
For various reasons I knew the manager of a local CAM bank rather well. It was a major branch and she was in charge of allocating mortgage funds to developers and private individuals.
Once I knew more about the operation, I closed my account and moved it elsewhere. Mortgages were granted to anyone, even the most unlikely applicants, without any checks whatsoever, provided they came via a certain local estate agent.
I knew four years ago that the whole edifice would come crashing down, the local Mercedes dealer couldn't get the cars in fast enough and I've seen a dozen people having breakfast in a local cafe, all dressed in Armani suits.
I did see one particular mortgage application and it made me laugh so much I spilled my coffee over it. It sailed through and is one of the many properties now abandoned and on the bank's books for a value that makes me laugh every time I think of it, or drive past it.
This explains some of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...nks-corruption
For various reasons I knew the manager of a local CAM bank rather well. It was a major branch and she was in charge of allocating mortgage funds to developers and private individuals.
Once I knew more about the operation, I closed my account and moved it elsewhere. Mortgages were granted to anyone, even the most unlikely applicants, without any checks whatsoever, provided they came via a certain local estate agent.
I knew four years ago that the whole edifice would come crashing down, the local Mercedes dealer couldn't get the cars in fast enough and I've seen a dozen people having breakfast in a local cafe, all dressed in Armani suits.
I did see one particular mortgage application and it made me laugh so much I spilled my coffee over it. It sailed through and is one of the many properties now abandoned and on the bank's books for a value that makes me laugh every time I think of it, or drive past it.
This explains some of it:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012...nks-corruption
Jun 8th 2012, 7:16 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Ok so i see its a v split view on whether its a good thing to move over or not! I know that its not something that will be taken lightly, i will not be jumping in without thinking it through especially considering i have a 2.5 yr old to think about. I will come out in Sept as planned and see what there is or isnt on offer. We were looking at Gibralter for places to work but not to live. If it doesnt work out i know that i will be moving away from the area i live in the UK.
Sorry again to have sparked up such a debate
Sorry again to have sparked up such a debate
just remember that Gib has its problems with access, this can add to the travel in and out, especially if the Spaniards decide to block entry again, making for a long day - I used to rep in the UK and rarely saw my daughter Mon-Fri.
just keep looking, decide where is right for you not the numpties floating around this forum who know better than anyone else. It is your life, you will be very cautious because of the kids and their futures.
good luck and please keep coming here, asking more questions but most importantly letting us know how things work out for you. we look forward to your input in the coming months and years
kind regards
Jun 8th 2012, 7:46 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Not really, if you look at the bigger picture, Spain's problems are minute. Refinancing the banks is only a paper exercise, the UK is about to print another 50 Billion, almost for the fun of it. The ECB is a lot bigger and will start 'printing' this weekend to bail out Spain.
I meant to finish off my account of the 'funny' mortgage, but forgot. The applicant was only a holidaymaker, he went home the owner of a detached villa with a bank valuation of 275K. Nobody lost on the deal, apart from the CAM shareholders.
Some 80K was shared out in cash to the people concerned.
I meant to finish off my account of the 'funny' mortgage, but forgot. The applicant was only a holidaymaker, he went home the owner of a detached villa with a bank valuation of 275K. Nobody lost on the deal, apart from the CAM shareholders.
Some 80K was shared out in cash to the people concerned.
Jun 8th 2012, 8:15 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Not really, if you look at the bigger picture, Spain's problems are minute. Refinancing the banks is only a paper exercise, the UK is about to print another 50 Billion, almost for the fun of it. The ECB is a lot bigger and will start 'printing' this weekend to bail out Spain.
I meant to finish off my account of the 'funny' mortgage, but forgot. The applicant was only a holidaymaker, he went home the owner of a detached villa with a bank valuation of 275K. Nobody lost on the deal, apart from the CAM shareholders.
Some 80K was shared out in cash to the people concerned.
I meant to finish off my account of the 'funny' mortgage, but forgot. The applicant was only a holidaymaker, he went home the owner of a detached villa with a bank valuation of 275K. Nobody lost on the deal, apart from the CAM shareholders.
Some 80K was shared out in cash to the people concerned.
Also we are hearing the figure of 100 billion as being needed to bail out the banks...
Jun 8th 2012, 8:22 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Ok so i see its a v split view on whether its a good thing to move over or not! I know that its not something that will be taken lightly, i will not be jumping in without thinking it through especially considering i have a 2.5 yr old to think about. I will come out in Sept as planned and see what there is or isnt on offer. We were looking at Gibralter for places to work but not to live. If it doesnt work out i know that i will be moving away from the area i live in the UK.
Sorry again to have sparked up such a debate
Sorry again to have sparked up such a debate
Jun 8th 2012, 8:33 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
The way I read that article is that the Spanish banking system is corrupt from top to bottom, was, and therefore still is, run by rank amateurs who haven't a clue what they are doing apart from being corrupt and running away with other peoples money. Only a paper exercise? Sounds to me like there are severe structural problems that need sorting.
Also we are hearing the figure of 100 billion as being needed to bail out the banks...
Also we are hearing the figure of 100 billion as being needed to bail out the banks...
It's the way of the world.
Jun 8th 2012, 9:42 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
Domino - thanks for the advice. Will keep u posted 
Jun 8th 2012, 9:44 pm
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Re: State of the Spanish economy as bad as the news here makes out
I am asking myself why this is the first mention of Gibraltar in this thread. It's all been about Spain. I suspect that if the OP had mentioned that they would be looking for work in Gibraltar, the tone of the answers might have been different. I wonder why she didn't...