Spanish languages
#46
Re: Spanish languages
From my observations I think that it is clear that the enclaves where Valenciano is still used are working class areas and is a left over from Franco times when non- Franco supporters communicated in Valenciano in private.
Descendants from the Franco supporting class tend to be better off and better educated and tend not to live in these enclaves.
Descendants from the Franco supporting class tend to be better off and better educated and tend not to live in these enclaves.
More difficult still in Catalunya - I understand that you have to show proficiency in Catalan before you offer employment, or indeed accept a job. Not sure how that works with the Barcelona FC signings?
#47
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Re: Spanish languages
You can get by with just speaking Castellano all over Spain. However, if you want to make friends and be part of the community then you need to speak the local language too. Certainly in Catalunya and the Basque Country.
For example, I went walking in the Pyranees with a group of Catalans, they greated me in Castellano but then the whole week was in Catalan, it did wonders for my understanding and they did let me respond in Castellano
However, a worse situation was when a visited a village near San Sebastian where everyone spoke Basque and they only do 2 hours of Castellano in the schools each week. I was warned not to speak Castellano and I'd be better off trying to communicate in English.
#48
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Many years ago,when my Spanish wasn't that bad, I stopped in Archez and asked some old guy for directions. He went on for a minute or two, and I thanked him and went back to the car. My wife said, "What did he say?" "Not a ***** clue!" I think I missed 90% of it! Same once with a guy from Huelva, completely lost me.
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Friend of mine told me she had to put the phone down after calling a call centre as she just couldn't understand the girl on the other end. I asked "Indian?" No, she was Scottish! Why on earth do they put people with such strong accents in these jobs, be they Scottish, Geordie or wherever?
#50
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That's only for jobs that have a public facing role e.g. shop assistents.
You can get by with just speaking Castellano all over Spain. However, if you want to make friends and be part of the community then you need to speak the local language too. Certainly in Catalunya and the Basque Country.
For example, I went walking in the Pyranees with a group of Catalans, they greated me in Castellano but then the whole week was in Catalan, it did wonders for my understanding and they did let me respond in Castellano
However, a worse situation was when a visited a village near San Sebastian where everyone spoke Basque and they only do 2 hours of Castellano in the schools each week. I was warned not to speak Castellano and I'd be better off trying to communicate in English.
You can get by with just speaking Castellano all over Spain. However, if you want to make friends and be part of the community then you need to speak the local language too. Certainly in Catalunya and the Basque Country.
For example, I went walking in the Pyranees with a group of Catalans, they greated me in Castellano but then the whole week was in Catalan, it did wonders for my understanding and they did let me respond in Castellano
However, a worse situation was when a visited a village near San Sebastian where everyone spoke Basque and they only do 2 hours of Castellano in the schools each week. I was warned not to speak Castellano and I'd be better off trying to communicate in English.
Rosemary
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Re: Spanish languages
Yes, it happens! Long time ago now, but I visited a Welsh hill farm and the farmer refused to let me in as I wasn't Welsh speaking. He insisted on a Welsh only speaker, and we only had one, and he was based about 100 miles away! He got what he wanted, eventually, as we were always booked up a few weeks in advance, so it was several weeks later that someone actually got to him. Another time I called on a lady with a young girl, 3 or 4, and the lady said would it be OK if she just popped down the shop and left the girl with me whilst I was working! I could see that happening nowadays! The girl was talking to me, but she only spoke Welsh, we were stumped, we could not converse. We lived about 35 miles apart, but it was a world away in terms of "welshness".
#52
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Re: Spanish languages
Thanks, this is good advice. I will keep up with learning Castellano first, which will at least enable me to communicate with the majority anywhere in Spain.
#53
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Just had an information leaflet (about our new Ecoparc) from the town hall, it is all in Valenciano no Castellano at all.
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Re: Spanish languages
In every country in the world there are regional accents.
For me the difference is between belligerent and considerate people and there is nothing you can do about the first.
So keep on as you are the rest you will have to make up as you go along here.
For me the difference is between belligerent and considerate people and there is nothing you can do about the first.
So keep on as you are the rest you will have to make up as you go along here.
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Re: Spanish languages
Hi! If anyone would like to practice his spanish I'm interesting in practicing my english. We can meet (I'm from Chiclana, Cadiz) or chatting via messenger. Is anybody interested?
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Cheers JL
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Re: Spanish languages
Skype is good to use too, and it's free. May be a bit difficult to understand if it starts to break up though....