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Old Feb 8th 2012, 10:10 am
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Hi, I'm new here. I'm spanish, 42. Hope I can help a bit.

Fred's pdf is right. I know it could be confusing at first but that's the way it works:

- Driving on the outer lane is ALWAYS, ANYTIME correct. No matter if you are taking the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th exit.

- The inner lane(s) is there for you to use it IF POSSIBLE to help traffic become more fluid. Use it only if you feel sure enough and only if you are taking 3rd, 4th or further exits. It's your choice to use it, it's not mandatory.

- When driving on the inner lane, you ALWAYS have to give way to drivers on the outer lane. If you are approaching to your exit and cannot change to the outer lane you should keep on turnig around until possible.

- When driving on the outer lane, use your OUTER indicator to show you are going to take the next exit. Use your INNER indicator instead to show you are NOT going to take it, but to keep on the lane a bit further. That should let drivers on the inner lane know it.


This video (in spanish, sorry) explains it quite well. Actually it makes sense: in a roundabout you should drive just like you would in a normal road, when driving on the left you should not invade the right lane:

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Hi Gusi

Thanks for the very clear explanation.

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Originally Posted by Gusi View Post
Hi, I'm new here. I'm spanish, 42. Hope I can help a bit.

Fred's pdf is right. I know it could be confusing at first but that's the way it works:

- Driving on the outer lane is ALWAYS, ANYTIME correct. No matter if you are taking the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th exit.

- The inner lane(s) is there for you to use it IF POSSIBLE to help traffic become more fluid. Use it only if you feel sure enough and only if you are taking 3rd, 4th or further exits. It's your choice to use it, it's not mandatory.

- When driving on the inner lane, you ALWAYS have to give way to drivers on the outer lane. If you are approaching to your exit and cannot change to the outer lane you should keep on turnig around until possible.

- When driving on the outer lane, use your OUTER indicator to show you are going to take the next exit. Use your INNER indicator instead to show you are NOT going to take it, but to keep on the lane a bit further. That should let drivers on the inner lane know it.


This video (in spanish, sorry) explains it quite well. Actually it makes sense: in a roundabout you should drive just like you would in a normal road, when driving on the left you should not invade the right lane:

a Spaniard who uses his left indicator to signal he is continuing on the roundabout, now there's something I've never seen before....

On a separate matter what is the score with people coming to more or less a standstill before a roundabout irrespective of whether there are cars on it or not. Are you taught this too, or is it as it appears that the average person about these parts cannot cope with driving and being aware of what is around them at the same time ?
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On a separate matter what is the score with people coming to more or less a standstill before a roundabout irrespective of whether there are cars on it or not. Are you taught this too, or is it as it appears that the average person about these parts cannot cope with driving and being aware of what is around them at the same time ?
I've never come across this, must be just your parts

I find driving in Spain peaceful and easy compared to driving in London. As long as you are attentive rather than thinking about rules then it is easy

The biggest problem is foreigners and old people driving at 80kmh in the middle lane of the motorways. You dont get this away from the Costas
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a Spaniard who uses his left indicator to signal he is continuing on the roundabout, now there's something I've never seen before....

On a separate matter what is the score with people coming to more or less a standstill before a roundabout irrespective of whether there are cars on it or not. Are you taught this too, or is it as it appears that the average person about these parts cannot cope with driving and being aware of what is around them at the same time ?
My understanding is that they are taught to stop.

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I've never come across this, must be just your parts

I find driving in Spain peaceful and easy compared to driving in London. As long as you are attentive rather than thinking about rules then it is easy

The biggest problem is foreigners and old people driving at 80kmh in the middle lane of the motorways. You dont get this away from the Costas
the biggest problem around my way are the overloaded Moroccan cars driven by someone trying to make the ferry from Algeciras...lane discipline from these types of road user not only relies on the driver's ability to control his car but also his ability to stay awake for the duration of the roundabout...

You can avoid most other dangerous situations by driving faster and in the left hand lane, especially on the N340/A7 where I find driving at 80/90 in the right hand lane to be a constant game of dodging joining traffic from the right and sudden lane changes from the left wishing to depart at an exit they have not left themselves enough time to reach safely. Again at roundabouts, floor the accelerator to put yourself clear of the guy on your inside at the entrance to the roundabout or hit the brake and sit behind him until after it is usually the best ways to avoid trouble
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the biggest problem around my way are the overloaded Moroccan cars driven by someone trying to make the ferry from Algeciras...lane discipline from these types of road user not only relies on the driver's ability to control his car but also his ability to stay awake for the duration of the roundabout...

You can avoid most other dangerous situations by driving faster and in the left hand lane, especially on the N340/A7 where I find driving at 80/90 in the right hand lane to be a constant game of dodging joining traffic from the right and sudden lane changes from the left wishing to depart at an exit they have not left themselves enough time to reach safely. Again at roundabouts, floor the accelerator to put yourself clear of the guy on your inside at the entrance to the roundabout or hit the brake and sit behind him until after it is usually the best ways to avoid trouble
The A7 between Fuengirola and Marbella is the worst stretch of motorway in Spain. You have to stay on the left lane because of all the (probably illegal) slip roads to shops/urbanisations every few hundred metres. Its probably for the best that the speed limit is now 80 on here

If in a rush I get the toll road, takes half the time and no stress
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Very few Spaniards stay in the right / left / innside or outside lanes at roundabouts.
They straight line them, often going over the island itself

However if you imagine a simple roundabout as a crossroads ( i.e. with the island removed ) ask yourself where you would position yourself to make the various options available.
I certainly wouldn't be in the righthand lane to turn left.
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On a separate matter what is the score with people coming to more or less a standstill before a roundabout irrespective of whether there are cars on it or not. Are you taught this too, or is it as it appears that the average person about these parts cannot cope with driving and being aware of what is around them at the same time ?
Some roundabouts have a stop sign on one or more of the entrances to the roundabout - there is one of those in Estepona - and the police very oftern sit waiting for all those who don't stop and pull them over and fine them.
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Some roundabouts have a stop sign on one or more of the entrances to the roundabout - there is one of those in Estepona - and the police very oftern sit waiting for all those who don't stop and pull them over and fine them.
Some have a stop, but most have a "Give way" signal, on a post, on the ground or both. That's why we slow down. Remember a car already in the roundabout has preference over any incoming car.




They straight line them, often going over the island itself
Very true.
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There is one near me that has give way on the roundabout and free entry ! confuses a few that does.
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The nomenclature can be confusing. Which is the 'outside' lane for instance? I prefer tight lane and wide lane.
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Originally Posted by Gusi View Post
Hi, I'm new here. I'm spanish, 42. Hope I can help a bit.

Fred's pdf is right. I know it could be confusing at first but that's the way it works:

- Driving on the outer lane is ALWAYS, ANYTIME correct. No matter if you are taking the 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th exit.

- The inner lane(s) is there for you to use it IF POSSIBLE to help traffic become more fluid. Use it only if you feel sure enough and only if you are taking 3rd, 4th or further exits. It's your choice to use it, it's not mandatory.

- When driving on the inner lane, you ALWAYS have to give way to drivers on the outer lane. If you are approaching to your exit and cannot change to the outer lane you should keep on turnig around until possible.

- When driving on the outer lane, use your OUTER indicator to show you are going to take the next exit. Use your INNER indicator instead to show you are NOT going to take it, but to keep on the lane a bit further. That should let drivers on the inner lane know it.


This video (in spanish, sorry) explains it quite well. Actually it makes sense: in a roundabout you should drive just like you would in a normal road, when driving on the left you should not invade the right lane:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=2P_ntBAQPds
Thanks for the info Gusi & I have just posted this onto a UK bikers site to assist them when visiting here.
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Some roundabouts have a stop sign on one or more of the entrances to the roundabout - there is one of those in Estepona - and the police very oftern sit waiting for all those who don't stop and pull them over and fine them.
when the Guardia leave that particular roundabout the hookers take over..both will not hesitate to screw you for money. There is no reason for a stop sign to be there, since there is perfectly clear vision of oncoming traffic, apart from generating revenue or amusing bored trafico officers
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Some have a stop, but most have a "Give way" signal, on a post, on the ground or both. That's why we slow down. Remember a car already in the roundabout has preference over any incoming car.
I can understand slowing down or even coming to a stop if there is traffic on the roundabout. The real point of my original observation is that they seem to slow down far more than they need to even if there is no traffic on or approaching the roundabout
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