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Stevie you are often the one who casts the first stone. Dick and others are mainly replying to your insults.

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I had no idea we all had to print our personal details on here. So aren't we all 'anonymous'?

I have a feeling that jackytoo is really Carol Middleton, but she is not letting on.


I can imagine her wiping the future king's bum whilst wearing a big hat.:rofl:

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..and white gloves:lol:

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That goes without saying.

how is baby G. By the way, has he said grandmamar yet?:)

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Tough life for us celebs, innit jacky ?

Bad enough with lorry loads of fan mail everyday and the media permanently camped outside the house, without having to tolerate a load of undue hassle on the forums.

Suppose if Stevie ever makes it big, he'll have a little better comprehension of the need for on-line anonymity. ;) :rofl:

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http://www.thelocal.es/20140331/vide...at-madrid-demo

Not much change there I see.

Big mistake though to set about reporters.

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Sorry if I've missed anything but after several pages of irrelevant crap I just gave up reading, back on with the original topic. I was there at the protest on 22 March. We left just before things kicked off and I can clearly state matter of fact that the violence started when the riot police moved in to clear people away during a talk by the organisers, 30 minutes before the demonstration had legally finished. Obviously people took offence to this and the few there who were involved in the violence strted to throw fireworks and objects at the police.
All I can say about this violence towards the police is, it's about bloody time!!!
For the last couple of years in particular, the indiscriminate police brutality has taken a sharp rise. Even now, after the protest, it's incredible the number of videos showing the police attacking anyone they can, regardless of whether or not those people were being violent or even part of the protest. Today on canal 4, they showed videos of the police attacking journalists and photographers who were there filming. The instituted violence from the Spanish police is incredible to say the least. I have absolutely ZERO sympathy for any of the injured police during the demonstrations, they clearly have zero sympathy for the person blinded by a rubber bullet or the person who lost a testicle to a rubber bullet. Why do you think the government wants to prohibit the filming of the police? This country doesn't normally allow or accept video evidence in a court and the police are not required to bring evidence to a trial, their word is the law as far as the courts are concerned.
3 minutes into video http://youtu.be/25AtdyOvxpw
http://.youtube.com/watch?v=JzLonVcg2Ec
You don't have to serch very far on youtube to find many more videos like this.

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I agree. The police are given instructions by the government to "make sure it gets violent", to make sure that there is bad publicity in the newspapers

There have even been cases where undercover policeman have pretended to be protesters and started violent scenes which ended up in the newspapers

The government is using propaganda to show that all protesters and violent and unreasonable. The UK did the same thing around the student "riots"

Don't believe what you read in the papers. Governments use whatever tools they can to keep the status quo

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In the case of the PP, it's not a case of taking it on board, it's a case of looking for any excuse to further restrict demonstrations. And now they've got another one. Those riots were exactly what they needed. Both because now nobody is talking about the 2 million peaceful demonstrators, and now they can further crack down on demonstrations...

Ana Botella now wants to completely prohibit them from the centre of Madrid:

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2014/03/...22_847429.html

(in case they disrupt her nice, relaxing cup of cafe con leche)

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This isn't the first time they've tried to prohibit protests in the capital. Another interesting thing in the news was Botella complaining about www.osce.org being present at the protests. The government had originaly called them to say there was no protest but luckily they'd contacted the organisers of the protest who said yes there is one and it's still going to happen. Botella didn't want the www.osce.org watching over the police and a statement today from Aguirre was "Aguirre claims that the "people of the OSCE" watch the police as if Spain were a "banana republic".
And as Cricketman quite rightly said, the government puts plain clothes police in with the protestors to start trouble. Anyone remember the news last year when an undercover cop helped start confrontation at the front of a protest only to be beaten by his own police? LOL.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4FLW4OjlcrU
I'm also waiting on a friend to pass me some photos he took of the protest where they spotted more under cover police and has them on camera throwing objects at the police as if they were protestors.

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Hi, we may not agree on some points (and I certainly disagree with the statement I've highlighted), but I'd like to suggest you don't repeat comments like that in an open forum.
For the security forces it really would not be difficult to find your true identity, by tracing your registered email on this site.
I don't think we're at that stage of a society just yet, but best to err on caution?

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People have been arrested in the UK and Spain for saying something similar on twitter

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I was wondering how out of 101 wounded, 64 of them managed to be police - they were kicking off against each other!!! :blink:

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Who officially audited the figures? Do they all have doctor's certificates?

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No idea - I can't see how any civilian hurt in the riots would have reported their injuries anyway, unless they were picked up by the police. Most would have run off. However the police would have reported even the most minor injury to themselves.