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In the near future I may have to make a trip to the UK ( not looking forward to it )
Under the present rules I will have to Self Isolate for ten days.
However when I look up the do's and don'ts the UK Gov web site immediately goes on to refer to Lockdown and explains the requirements for such not self isolating, are they the same?
If so what is the point in self isolating if one has to lockdown?
I should be staying in a furnished flat but would need to purchase food.
OK I can order in cooked meals but some necessities like bread, butter, milk tea etc. would be nice to buy in to use as and when, which I can do under lockdown by going out to shop, my favoured method.
But can I do this whilst self isolating???

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Rules for self-isolation in England, with links to similar rules in Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland
https://www.gov.uk/government/public...hern%20Ireland.

You can't go to the shops while self-isolating.

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Thanks SOS that is the document I was refering to and forgot the link
However:-"You may leave the home to:

• shop for basic necessities, for you or a vulnerable person"

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The rules for self-isolation are different to those of the national lockdown Fred. The sentence you've referred to above is a national lockdown rule. Self-isolation is as described in the first paragraph under the heading Isolating in the UK:

When you arrive in England, you must travel directly to the place you are staying and not leave until 10 days have passed since you left or transited through any country outside the Common Travel Area. This is known as ‘self-isolating’. Similar rules apply in relation to Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.

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The UK Government are looking seriously at "Hotel " quarantine like they do in Australia and New Zealand. You get locked up in a hotel at your cost and if you leave the police are informed.

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Almost a year too late as well.

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It might not be a good idea to go to UK as there is a distinct possibility that Spain with other EU countries will bar all entries from UK.

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I have no choice.
I don't need to enter Spain

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We went back in October and had to quarantine for 14 days. We completed the required contact locater forms. When we arrived at Plymouth they asked at passport check point had we completed the forms, which we said we had and offered them to check, to be told we don't need to see them so long as you've done them. Once we got to where we were quarantining we never left the house for 14 days. We did some food shopping online and our daughter dropped off shopping for us on the driveway. We followed the rules to the letter but there were no checks done by anyone or any form of follow up. So it was really down to ourselves to ensure we didn't breach the rules.

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Friends of mine have been checked up on though, so it seems to really depend. I do wonder if they have a way of somehow checking mobile use/location, as everybody I know that has stuck to the quarantine rules hasn't been checked on, others that have broken the rules have had a police visit. One friend got caught, thought they wouldn't check on her a second time and then got caught a second time! It may be coincidence, but seems odd to me that only those rule breaking have been visited.

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As said above, you can't do that quarantining. You can only leave the house under very specific circumstances (urgent medical care, to participate in legal proceedings, to attend a funeral). But you can get food delivered, so that's no problem, just make sure you book deliveries in advance as slots fill up very quickly these days.

HTH, good luck.

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It may be that someone reported them? I'm sure the database is easily accessible to police. Also it may be that either random checks may be carried out. Some areas have introduced covid wardens such checks would be a good use of them.

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Whilst I have no intentions of breaking the rules I am having difficulty understanding them, take the following for example:-

The 10-day self-isolation period is necessary because it can take up to 10 days for coronavirus symptoms to appear. If you’re travelling to England
for less than 10 days, you will be expected to self-isolate for the length of your stay, but you can travel directly to your place of departure. It is important to note that under the national lockdown rules for England,you must not leave or be outside of your place of residence except where necessary

Those two sentences are written together in one paragraph under the heading Isolating in the UK

A little further down the page there is a paragraph headed National lockdown

Why if different rules apply to Isolating and Lockdown have the two sentences been grouped together?

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Under the lockdown rules for international travel it states you're allowed to travel to return home, i.e. the same thing, so who knows why they thought to mention anything about lockdown in the self-isolation rules.

Perhaps whoever wrote it thought the messaging was too clear and it needed making more confusing.

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I would expect this to only apply to non UK residents as UK residents can be monitored at home

I suspect the OP is Spanish resident, which could be a problem.

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He is not!

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I doubt it. It is clear at the moment that quarantine cannot easily be monitored irrespective of being resident or not. In a hotel, monitoring is much easier.

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I pointed out earlier that I will be staying in a furnished flat not a hotel. In a hotel I would expect to be able to have a cup of tea or a snack as I pleased, however in a furnished flat I would need the ingredients as necessary to cater for myself.
It is access to those ingredients that would be simplified by even a single trip the a supermarket to collect a selection of goods.
For example I have looked at the local stores in the area for their online offerings and to be honest it's pathetic. I can order any number of adulterated milks from chocolate to skimmed but finding plain whole milk is nigh on impossible.

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Yes, I know that, but I was pointing out that it may not be an option.

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I don't know why you must visit or where you intended staying(?) You can buy almost anything for home delivery almost anywhere in the UK.

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:goodpost:

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Delivery slots can be an issue. We found difficulty with that. We couldn't get any with main supermarkets but found Iceland very good for our basics.

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If OP is self isolating, inconvenient delivery slots should not be an issue. Where are you? What basics did you find difficult to obtain?

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It wasn't inconvenient delivery slots it was more that there wasn't any slots as all taken. That was with Morrison's and Asda. We didn't struggle for anything. We used home delivery to lessen the burden on our daughter who kept us supplied with weekly shopping. We were in the North East that was in October last year. I see as Fred mentioned it may be taken out of people's hands as government discussing mandatory hotel quarantine. I would also add that as we quarantined in our own home in the uk our neighbours also offered to get anything we needed. In addition in our area local groups in the village also help out mainly for elderly and housebound but would have helped us out if needed. There are plenty of good people in the UK. We only went back to arrange rental of our UK property otherwise we would not have gone back at that time.

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Exactly. The USA is now waking up and insist on a vaccination certificate PLUS self-isolating for 7 or 10 days

We should have done that but caved into the the damnd "I have a right to my holiday in Benidorm !"

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The USA is under new management. The UK, unfortunately, isn't.

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Why can't you get a supermarket delivery? Forget small local store, just order from one of the big supermarkets. As I said above, make sure you book a slot as far in advance as possible as slots go quickly, but you can just hold the slot with a couple of bottles of whisky or similar until the day before, if you don't yet know what you want.

You can't visit a supermarket so you'll need to sort out an online order but it's very easy to do.

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Thanks everyone.
I am not in charge of this accommodation but I am pretty sure it will be a furnished flat and not a hotel, but we will just have to wait and see when it happens which hopefully will be in the very near future.

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As soon as you've found out where it is, book a grocery delivery slot (or even a couple of them) with Tesco/Asda/Sainsburys/Ocado etc. You can see who has availability for the day/time you want, as long as you book it a fair way in advance then you should be fine. Then you can have all the food and other comforts that you want delivered to your door.

Good luck.

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If all else fails Morrisons has a storefront on Amazon UK and (may, not tried it) allow you to have more control over the delivery date and time.

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Yesterday we flew to UK
I cannot count of the number of times we were asked, queried, reminded of the need to self isolate.

This afternoon I received a phone call from someone claiming to represent the UK government, I asked if his name was Boris and he replied he was much further down the food chain.

He then went on to query / remind me of the isolation rules and also that if I had any doubts the government website had all the information.
I asked when he had last read that information and he replied "a few weeks ago" I therefore informed him that there was little or no information about isolating and that in fact a few lines into the article it links to LOCKDOWN

At that moment I discovered that you can actually HEAR STUNNED SILENCE on phone.

Moments later after he had checked the site and regained his composure he agreed with my interpretation of said document.
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Hey there Fredbargate , how are you getting on?

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Still in prison, but I do have a window through which I can see squirrels playing in the outside world

On Thursday I have my first chance of parole if I test negative for covid

But that will only allow me into the lockdown world of no pubs or restaurants:thumbdown:

All being well I will escape the UK in 5 to 6 weeks back to Gib which is now easing it's lockdown

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sounds good fella, take it easy !

looks like the ones "self isolating" at 1750 pounds seem to be having more fun than you...

Hotel quarantine farce as guests say they can leave rooms to smoke whenever they want (msn.com)

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