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Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Dear all, hope someone can help me with this question.
I am dual national British/Irish. I lived and worked in Spain for 18 years (1995 - 2014) paying tax and social security with a NIE registered with my British passport. Can I return to Spain using my Irish passport and continue my contributions using the same NIE in order to safeguard my Spanish pension rights? Thanks for any input! Rich |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Your NIE is for life. Just like your NI number in the UK.
So yes can't see why not. ​​​​​ |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by Rich1966
(Post 12959290)
Dear all, hope someone can help me with this question.
I am dual national British/Irish. I lived and worked in Spain for 18 years (1995 - 2014) paying tax and social security with a NIE registered with my British passport. Can I return to Spain using my Irish passport and continue my contributions using the same NIE in order to safeguard my Spanish pension rights? Thanks for any input! Rich |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
I'm in a similar situation. I am not resident in Spain but I am now fortunate enough to have an Irish passport and was wondering if I should go to a notary with my NIE certificate to get my nationality changed?
It's a very old style NIE certificate obtained in May 1998 so it might need to be updated anyway. |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by Barriej
(Post 12959295)
Your NIE is for life. Just like your NI number in the UK.
So yes can't see why not. ​​​​​ |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by DLC
(Post 12959302)
Your NIE is still good but your residency has lapsed and I guess you'll be down as British, you would need to apply for a new green card using your Irish passport.
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Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
That might be a way to do it, maybe someone knows if it is possible
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Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by Lou71
(Post 12959308)
I'm in a similar situation. I am not resident in Spain but I am now fortunate enough to have an Irish passport and was wondering if I should go to a notary with my NIE certificate to get my nationality changed?
It's a very old style NIE certificate obtained in May 1998 so it might need to be updated anyway. |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
I suppose the answer is that it's just a Foreign National ID. Regardless of Nationality, it's not a green card and you still have to register residency. Obviously being Irish and still in the EU the normal regulations apply.
https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/spa...-requirements/ |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12959375)
I suppose the answer is that it's just a Foreign National ID. Regardless of Nationality, it's not a green card and you still have to register residency. Obviously being Irish and still in the EU the normal regulations apply.
https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/spa...-requirements/ |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by Rich1966
(Post 12959350)
Thanks, how do I link that green card to my NIE? How do I prove that I am the same person, or will they even ask?
I guess you can show both an Irish and a British passport when renewing the green card. Maybe even show them the original expired British passport if you've still kept it so they can check it against the passport number they have on file. I don't think your nationality (or rather, what nationality Spain thinks you are) affects your ability to draw a pension based on what you've already paid into Spanish social security. The only thing is things are much easier if you apply for residency as an Irish citizen. |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Although you have to show your passport to get either an NIE, Green Residencia or TIE. The passport is not identified on either green residencia or TIE. So on your residencia the number it shows is your NIE which is for life. I'm not sure about Irish passports but Spanish passports I believe retain the same number on renewal but UK ones don't.
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Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Spanish passports used to just have the DNI as the passport number but that got changed to be a new different number on each new passport, even so the DNI is still present on the details page.
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Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by DLC
(Post 12959415)
Not sure, I wish I had your problem. :)
I guess you can show both an Irish and a British passport when renewing the green card. Maybe even show them the original expired British passport if you've still kept it so they can check it against the passport number they have on file. I don't think your nationality (or rather, what nationality Spain thinks you are) affects your ability to draw a pension based on what you've already paid into Spanish social security. The only thing is things are much easier if you apply for residency as an Irish citizen. |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by Lou71
(Post 12959308)
I'm in a similar situation. I am not resident in Spain but I am now fortunate enough to have an Irish passport and was wondering if I should go to a notary with my NIE certificate to get my nationality changed?.
The only time it might come into play is if you wanted to overstay your 90 days because unlike a UK passport an Irish one would not be stamped in and out. |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Going to bump this up because I found this on a website for dual national Brits in France:
https://www.francerights.org/withdra...ement-faq.html I’m a British national who’s been living in France for 6 years now, and I now also have Irish citizenship. I receive a UK state pension and have an S1 form. How am I affected? Your Irish citizenship means that you’ll keep your EU citizenship, and along with it your rights of free movement. If you wish you can apply for a permanent residence card in France as an Irish citizen. The health and social security provisions of the WA will continue to apply to you as long as you continue to live in Spain, so your S1 health cover will continue. And as you moved to France as a British citizen under EU free movement law, at the same time the other provisions of WA should also apply to you so you can still benefit from these where they are more favourable - for example, as you qualify as a permanent resident in France you can be absent from France under the WA for up to 5 years without losing your residence rights, as opposed to 2 years using your rights as an Irish citizen. There are some outstanding questions about how you would also be identified as a beneficiary of the WA if you register in France as an Irish citizen; we have raised these, and the European Commission and UK authorities are preparing a joint guidance memorandum to the WA which we hope will cover questions like this one. We’ll be scrutinising and monitoring it when it’s published. I’m now a dual national, having acquired citizenship of France. How am I affected? Your French citizenship gives you an unconditional right of residence here, but because you originally moved here as a British citizen under EU free movement law and only acquired French citizenship subsequently, at the same time the WA should still apply to you subject to certain conditions. You’ll benefit from its social security provisions and should also be able to rely on it to cover other issues such as recognition of qualifications and family reunification. The European Commission and the UK authorities are preparing a joint guidance memorandum to the WA to deal with questions like this, and we’ll be scrutinising and monitoring it when it’s published. You have to click on the date at the bottom to see the replies from NL. I've never seen any announcement from Spain about this though, other than if you are a Briton who has acquired Spanish nationality you don't have to take any action, which differs with what's above... well, that and as someone who's acquired Spanish nationality you're not supposed to be a dual national. |
Re: Is it possible to maintain the same NIE with a different passport?
Originally Posted by Rich1966
(Post 12959350)
Thanks, how do I link that green card to my NIE? How do I prove that I am the same person, or will they even ask?
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