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dairymaid Mar 3rd 2013 7:34 pm

partner status
 
My partner (UK nat.)is basically íllegal ..... in that his residencia ran out and he never renewed it so he´s not really registered anywhere.

I work here and have enough income to support us both. He has no income. Can I register him as my partner (not husband) so that he can get his residencia and also health care if required?

avocados Mar 3rd 2013 10:04 pm

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Go to town hall and register as Pareja de Hecho;

Then go to police station and sort out the green certificate.

After ONE year (I think) as a registered couple, he will get medical cover. Go to INSS and sort out the documentation. You will need to prove cohabitation, possibly.

If he wants cover now, get married; 2 options in marriage contract - choose the one that doesn't link you fiscally (if that's your reason for not wanting to marry). I can't think of the terms.

P.S. Your partner is not illegal!!! and should not be referred to in those terms. He has merely not performed certain administrative duties. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

dairymaid Mar 3rd 2013 10:06 pm

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Thanks for the info....I´ll check it all out with mr Google!

mikelincs Mar 3rd 2013 10:24 pm

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Originally Posted by avocados (Post 10582005)

P.S. Your partner is not illegal!!! and should not be referred to in those terms. He has merely not performed certain administrative duties. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

If he isn't doing a tax declaration in Spain, then he is certainly acting illegally. Even if he isn't working, that is one requirement to live legally in Spain.

Lynn R Mar 3rd 2013 11:08 pm

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Originally Posted by mikelincs (Post 10582039)
If he isn't doing a tax declaration in Spain, then he is certainly acting illegally. Even if he isn't working, that is one requirement to live legally in Spain.

Somebody should tell the Hacienda staff then! When I'd been resident in Spain for one full tax year, I rang the Madrid number and got an appointment at my local office to go in and have them complete my tax return online. Went along with all my paperwork, including copies of bank statement for them to see, and explained my circumstances - early retired, a small amount of income from savings interest, would be drawing down capital each year to live on until I started to receive a pension in 8 years' time (as it was then). We don't require you to do a tax return, said the lady, and we don't need to see you again until you start to receive your pension. I asked if they could somehow record on their system that that was the case, and to date I've had no further contact from them, I certainly haven't received one of the letters they have been sending out to people who own property in Spain but have not submitted tax returns (unlike at least one person I know).

lynnxa Mar 4th 2013 12:31 am

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Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 10582108)
Somebody should tell the Hacienda staff then! When I'd been resident in Spain for one full tax year, I rang the Madrid number and got an appointment at my local office to go in and have them complete my tax return online. Went along with all my paperwork, including copies of bank statement for them to see, and explained my circumstances - early retired, a small amount of income from savings interest, would be drawing down capital each year to live on until I started to receive a pension in 8 years' time (as it was then). We don't require you to do a tax return, said the lady, and we don't need to see you again until you start to receive your pension. I asked if they could somehow record on their system that that was the case, and to date I've had no further contact from them, I certainly haven't received one of the letters they have been sending out to people who own property in Spain but have not submitted tax returns (unlike at least one person I know).

ahhh - but if you had been submitting tax returns you'd now be able to access free state healthcare.........

lynnxa Mar 4th 2013 12:38 am

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Originally Posted by dairymaid (Post 10581809)
My partner (UK nat.)is basically íllegal ..... in that his residencia ran out and he never renewed it so he´s not really registered anywhere.

I work here and have enough income to support us both. He has no income. Can I register him as my partner (not husband) so that he can get his residencia and also health care if required?

in my area (Valencia) & in many others but not all, you need to prove that you have lived together for 12 months in order to register as pareja de hecho


your partner would have the same entitlements as a spouse from the date of registration

I'm pretty certain though that he'd need to be registered as resident before he can register as pareja de hecho, so he might be in a bit of a catch 22

Elle1971 Mar 4th 2013 1:49 am

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You also need to get a Certificado de Convivencia from your Town Hall for him to benefit from your payments. It only costs a very small amount - couple of euros I think. You will need to prove you have been living together for a while - joint rental contract is ok for that... plus everything like passports and Residencia photocopied a number of times.
Elle x

Lynn R Mar 4th 2013 4:52 am

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 10582254)
ahhh - but if you had been submitting tax returns you'd now be able to access free state healthcare.........

Maybe so - until they change the rules again! I'm sticking with the devil I know until the OH reaches 65 in 18 months' time.:)

fionamw Mar 6th 2013 12:14 am

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 10582254)
ahhh - but if you had been submitting tax returns you'd now be able to access free state healthcare.........


Originally Posted by Lynn R (Post 10582884)
Maybe so - until they change the rules again! I'm sticking with the devil I know until the OH reaches 65 in 18 months' time.:)

........... is this just because of the pensionable age thing or does that apply (can't believe it does) to everyone submitting a tax return?

lynnxa Mar 6th 2013 1:07 am

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 10586995)
........... is this just because of the pensionable age thing or does that apply (can't believe it does) to everyone submitting a tax return?

I couldn't believe it either - but it's happened/is happening

more & more people who I know personally are accessing the state health system now where they couldn't before the new rules came into place

essentially if you were registered as resident & submitting tax returns before April 24th 2012 you are now entitled to do just that - no matter what your age


at least as many people I know are also now kicking themselves for staying 'under the radar' ;)

snikpoh Mar 6th 2013 1:19 am

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 10587070)
I couldn't believe it either - but it's happened/is happening

more & more people who I know personally are accessing the state health system now where they couldn't before the new rules came into place

essentially if you were registered as resident & submitting tax returns before April 24th 2012 you are now entitled to do just that - no matter what your age


at least as many people I know are also now kicking themselves for staying 'under the radar' ;)

But NOT if you live slightly north of you and have to apply to Valencia.

Alicante is fine, but Valencia are NOT implementing this new law yet!!

I have this answer from 'the powers that be'.

lynnxa Mar 6th 2013 2:04 am

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Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 10587094)
But NOT if you live slightly north of you and have to apply to Valencia.

Alicante is fine, but Valencia are NOT implementing this new law yet!!

I have this answer from 'the powers that be'.

you're joking!! I thought they were sorting that out!!:thumbdown:

fionamw Mar 6th 2013 3:06 am

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Well I think I count as 'below the radar' .... but only because a NOTARY advised me I didn't need to submit a return because my "income" ( I use the word with a wry grin as it's SOOO low) was low.
In fact visiting hacienda is literally on my list of things to do this week, before reading this thread :(

lynnxa Mar 6th 2013 3:13 am

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Originally Posted by fionamw (Post 10587351)
Well I think I count as 'below the radar' .... but only because a NOTARY advised me I didn't need to submit a return because my "income" ( I use the word with a wry grin as it's SOOO low) was low.
In fact visiting hacienda is literally on my list of things to do this week, before reading this thread :(

a lot of asesores/gestores etc. did tell people not to bother :(


I do know of a few people who have got into the system because they were registered as resident, even though they hadn't done tax returns - they got the 'legislation letter' from the DWP & that did the trick


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