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I remember the bull running at Denia harbour, nothing like Pamplona, just a few, tiny bulls chased into the sea by the local heros, and rescued from the water. We didn't stay long, but went to a superb restaurant at the top of the main street, where I ordered steak, without much thought.

When it did arrive, I did start to think and couldn't eat it. Totally silly, I know.

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Having had quite a bit of experience with livestock and in particular unruly bulls,I find the whole business a bit sad.

The fact that the animals are taken from their own familiar environment and placed in a strange place with very unfamiliar people and surroundings is in itself enough to make them very frightened,nervous and unpredictable and could have a similar effect on even more domesticated beasts.

Likewise most of the "participants" have little experience or understanding of how and why the bulls react as they do to any given situation and obviously dont much care.

However having said that I find the now supposedely banned British traditional type foxhunting equally as stupid and ridiculous,.........in order to be clear that this is not just an anti-Spanish tradition rant.

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i agree with you 100%

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yes, you are right, what about the poor bulls? they are very noble animals and they are just frightened and just want to defend themselves from too many people. They just want to scape from them. I wonder why they dont run in front of lions instead of doing in front of bulls?

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I was once in the local lock-up (back in 1971!!) and - having missed the bullfight - was given a bit of barbequed rump to gnaw on. It was very tough indeed.
Those bulls are definately not pansies!

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Ah,....now theres a great idea marisol,.....then we could see just how brave these guys really are.
I think the lions might just be in for a tasty morsel or two........:thumbsup:

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Tough shit!

That's what I say.

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That the bull is a herbivore animal it doesn't mean that is not an lethal animal...The bull is a bovine (for example our bull, a marvel of the Ancient World that is only conserved in Spain) and is pure force. It is stronger than a lion. In fact, in Africa the herbivores are the animals that kill more people, as the buffalos, relatives of the bulls

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Really?

I thought that the African nationals killed more people than the bovines?

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I have not made any position of this style. I have simply said that contrarily to what is believed that the predators as the lion, the leopard or the hyena can kill people, surprisingly are the herbivores (elephants, buffalos, hippopotami, rhinoceroses etc etc etc) those that for a cause or for other have killed more people...ok? I am speaking now of animals, the slaughters as Rwanda are for another thread

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Well - there wouldn't be much point in running with the sheep!

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Thats what I call foreplay.

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Totally agree. Taunt an animal and what do you expect? I feel zero pity for these knobs who seem to revel in winding up these beautiful animals. And yes I do eat meat but would never gratuitously goad it before I killed and ate it. Idiotic behaviour deserves no sentimentality. If he'd not gone to what is a spectacle of winding animals up he would not have died. Dimwit should have stayed at home with a San miguel.

I think its great too when matadors get the horn afore the bull gets the sword..totally hideous enterprise bullfighting..culture my arse.

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What some people tend to forget, is that if we did not do things to animals such as eat meet and fight them, then these animals would not exist. There are no wild bulls in the world! They have been bred to be farmed, eaten and in some cases... fought for centuries.

While the bulls have a stressful time in the final hours of their life, they have a wonderful existance before that. They are looked after in conditions infinately better than your average dairy cow or battery chicken.

If you care about animals then only buy free range meat, eggs and milk. Then at least the animals have a happy existance before their destiny finally arrives. I wonder how many of those who criticise bull fighting hapily but battery farmed chickens? Torture is the only things these poor creatures have ever known and battery chickens account for 99% of all eggs eaten in the UK

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Now wherever did you get that idea?
There are even wild cattle including bulls in England.
You never heard of the Chillingham Wild Whites?