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Rotor Apr 9th 2010 2:31 pm

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Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8484275)
I'll be alright, they'll be bilingual from birth. Luckily it is easier for mixed nationality couples.

My nephews have a Spanish mum, Swedish dad and live in France and are fluent in all 3 languages (they are 2 and 3 years old). Interestingly they speak to each other in French! :rofl:

Crikey even your family are geniuses as well as you:rofl::rofl: Most kids dont even speak their native language fluently at 2 and 3 !!!!

cricketman Apr 9th 2010 2:53 pm

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Originally Posted by Rotor (Post 8484330)
Crikey even your family are geniuses as well as you:rofl::rofl: Most kids dont even speak their native language fluently at 2 and 3 !!!!

Every 3 year old I've ever met has been speaking fluently

Yes, you're right the younger one speaks more with a collection of words at a time.

They're not geniuses, it is normal.

jackytoo Apr 9th 2010 3:08 pm

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A lot of spanish families have sent their children to the EIC college in Marbella as they are running a bi-lingual course.

twistedmelon Apr 9th 2010 3:10 pm

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Originally Posted by manamama (Post 8484225)
Main problems I think :

Some kids are too old - 9 or more
Some kids have parents who aren't bothered
Some kids aren't bothered
Some kids don't get much needed help in class

Wait till you have kids !! Nightmare..:)

I would add to Number 3 a lot of children, understandably, do suffer emotionally moving, especially at certain ages.
I think most new foreign students are put down the first year to evaluate them. Whilst I understand the reasons it's not always productive for the child to be in a class of younger students.
Therefore, some young people do find it hard to settle in and this will affect their ability/desire to learn.
All my children speak fluent spanish and learnt within a year going to a state school but they do have english friends who are having difficulties.

jojojojojo,
You didn't say your daughter was having difficulty and that was your reason for looking to alternatives, hence my reply.
If your daughter is still struggling after the time she has had here then I think that by all means you should do whatever you think will help her.
We did have some problems but luckily we were able to resolve them with the schools help.

jojojojojo Apr 9th 2010 4:26 pm

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Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8484047)

I've heard so many stories about British children not improving their Spanish at schools here in Spain. What is going wrong? :unsure:

From what I've heard, there are many schools who tend to put the English kids in the back of the classroom with a colouring book and pencils and leave em to it!!!!


The previous state school my daughter was in had a lot of British kids, some learnt, others didnt. It seemed to me there were a fair few kids whose parents saw the school more as a childminding service than a school and were a little lax in even getting their kids there after a boozy night out!!!! Also with the difficulty of parents evenings, picking up notas etc, some parents obviously felt there was no point in going cos they wouldnt understand anyway



Jo xxx

jdr Apr 9th 2010 4:35 pm

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 8483657)
if I could afford private bilingual school my 2 would be in one

BUT this one seems odd - & I'm not sure I would want my kids going to a brand new untried & untested school in any case

there have been several cases of new schools opening in my area without the proper licences, only to be closed down - I would check that out too, very carefully

MIT - isn't that a well-respected Uni in the states? maybe a bit of subliminal messaging in the school's name?

the English on the website is seriously odd - it looks like a bad online translator has been used - the sentence construction is very Spanish - & whoever heard of a 'luminous' room? badly translated from luminoso probably

I saw one when the Trotters painted that geezers Chinese restaurant. :D

jojojojojo Apr 9th 2010 4:37 pm

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Originally Posted by twistedmelon (Post 8484415)

jojojojojo,
You didn't say your daughter was having difficulty and that was your reason for looking to alternatives, hence my reply.
If your daughter is still struggling after the time she has had here then I think that by all means you should do whatever you think will help her.
We did have some problems but luckily we were able to resolve them with the schools help.


I'm always looking for something, somewhere for my daughter to get a good education. She's actually enjoying the state school she's at, but altho she has friends and talks in Spansih to them a little, she refuses to speak it in the classroom and uses her lack of understanding as an excuse for almost everything according to her teacher. We now have a Spanish teacher at home, who she was deliberately uncooperative with yesterday!!!!!?

She's a bright kid, but also a very tenatious one!! She still wants to go back to the UK, hates Spain and says she hates the Spanish and will not use their stupid language!! We do have some rather turbulent moments lol!!!!!

jo xxx

lynnxa Apr 9th 2010 4:42 pm

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Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8484572)
From what I've heard, there are many schools who tend to put the English kids in the back of the classroom with a colouring book and pencils and leave em to it!!!!


The previous state school my daughter was in had a lot of British kids, some learnt, others didnt. It seemed to me there were a fair few kids whose parents saw the school more as a childminding service than a school and were a little lax in even getting their kids there after a boozy night out!!!! Also with the difficulty of parents evenings, picking up notas etc, some parents obviously felt there was no point in going cos they wouldnt understand anyway



Jo xxx

and some kids just don't want to learn & are the ones who would have probably been failing in the UK anyway

I know parents like those you mentioned - kids don't go to school because the parents are still pissed from the night before & can't get up to take them

kids who have to stay home to look after younger ones because mum & dad are too 'busy'/lazy

I knew some like that in the UK too:(

jojojojojo Apr 9th 2010 4:47 pm

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 8484613)
and some kids just don't want to learn & are the ones who would have probably been failing in the UK anyway

I know parents like those you mentioned - kids don't go to school because the parents are still pissed from the night before & can't get up to take them

kids who have to stay home to look after younger ones because mum & dad are too 'busy'/lazy

I knew some like that in the UK too:(

Yes, well there were an awful lot of them at my daughters old state school!! What made it worse was that the Spanish hated these kids, so there was always fights etc. So they wouldnt have anything to do with my daughter cos she was a Brit and the British kids didnt like my daughter cos they thought she was snobby, just because we're not a drinking family and we do care about their education!

Jo xxx

manamama Apr 10th 2010 9:49 am

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Originally Posted by twistedmelon (Post 8484415)
I would add to Number 3 a lot of children, understandably, do suffer emotionally moving, especially at certain ages.
I think most new foreign students are put down the first year to evaluate them. Whilst I understand the reasons it's not always productive for the child to be in a class of younger students.
Therefore, some young people do find it hard to settle in and this will affect their ability/desire to learn.
All my children speak fluent spanish and learnt within a year going to a state school but they do have english friends who are having difficulties.

jojojojojo,
You didn't say your daughter was having difficulty and that was your reason for looking to alternatives, hence my reply.
If your daughter is still struggling after the time she has had here then I think that by all means you should do whatever you think will help her.
We did have some problems but luckily we were able to resolve them with the schools help.

I agree. Moving is a hard emotional thing to do.

New country, new language, new friends to make...Arghhhh How scary !

No wonder education wise, the kids struggle..

Generally, I would discourage people bringing children over 9 without the needed support...ie parents extra time/caring and language learning. Without helping their children, parents will find their children will learn little while in Spain. Sad eh.

twistedmelon Apr 10th 2010 10:57 am

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Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8484599)
she refuses to speak it in the classroom and uses her lack of understanding as an excuse for almost everything according to her teacher. We now have a Spanish teacher at home, who she was deliberately uncooperative with yesterday!!!!!?
She's a bright kid, but also a very tenatious one!! She still wants to go back to the UK, hates Spain and says she hates the Spanish and will not use their stupid language!! We do have some rather turbulent moments lol!!!!!
jo xxx

I think therein lies the problem.
In which case you can only hope she will grow through this phase, trying to encourage her may well result in her determination not to.
Sometimes it is better to let them find their own way rather than you trying to find it for them.
All the best

rachelk Apr 10th 2010 2:07 pm

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Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8483774)

And even if a teacher could invest that, are we saying they select teachers based on how much money they have?

As a teacher, that's my biggest question.

If i were a parent, it would be my biggest concern.

jojojojojo Apr 10th 2010 2:18 pm

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 8486372)
As a teacher, that's my biggest question.

If i were a parent, it would be my biggest concern.

But investing in ones own talents and business ideas is quite commonplace dont you think? Thats what my husband had to do many years ago when he first wanted to start a business - He needed to buy/lease premises, equipment, stock, pay staff etc...... He got a business loan on the strength of his faith that it would succeed and his business plan!

Jo xxx

rachelk Apr 10th 2010 2:31 pm

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Originally Posted by jojojojojo (Post 8486389)
But investing in ones own talents and business ideas is quite commonplace dont you think? Thats what my husband had to do many years ago when he first wanted to start a business - He needed to buy/lease premises, equipment, stock, pay staff etc...... He got a business loan on the strength of his faith that it would succeed and his business plan!

Jo xxx

Do you think the banks will be giving loans to teachers then so they can get jobs at this school?

jojojojojo Apr 10th 2010 3:04 pm

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Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 8486406)
Do you think the banks will be giving loans to teachers then so they can get jobs at this school?


Its possible if they produce a business plan, some projected figures of how the moneys would be paid back and the bank thought it was a safe investment! Business is business! This is similar to how Doctors surgeries in the UK work. The GPs put money in to start up a practice. They have to have premises, staff, equipment and they have to take out business loans to do it...........They then become partners of the practice.

However, will this work for a school???? Apparently its something thats been done already in Madrid and is working well ???????!!!

Jo xxx


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