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Old May 7th 2013 | 6:30 am
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It may be 45 years old but the Spanish attitude has not changed.

The main sufferers then and today are the Spanish people who rely on Gibraltar for employment
 
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Knicker twisting time today

Those nasty British have allowed a Radio Active sneaky underwater boat into their harbour.

We must punish them, HOW?

Well lets tighten the screws at the frontier again.

That will make our Spanish citizens working in Gib wait a lot longer under the hot sun to get home tonight.

That will really teach the British a lesson.

 
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presumably as she is only a little one it will only be a small restriction. ??

but I would assume that an American sneaky underwater nuke arriving in Rota would be alright, after all the crew would actually be spending their money in Spain (or would they as most of it would be spent in the PX which is US soil)
 
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presumably as she is only a little one it will only be a small restriction. ??

but I would assume that an American sneaky underwater nuke arriving in Rota would be alright, after all the crew would actually be spending their money in Spain (or would they as most of it would be spent in the PX which is US soil)
But Domino Spain has an impeccably clean Nuclear record so nothing can or ever will go wrong there
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acerinox_accident

Whilst a Nuclear sub in Gibraltar must be contaminating the whole of Spain

Simple Spanish political logic
 
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Knicker twisting time today

Those nasty British have allowed a Radio Active sneaky underwater boat into their harbour.

We must punish them, HOW?

Well lets tighten the screws at the frontier again.

That will make our Spanish citizens working in Gib wait a lot longer under the hot sun to get home tonight.

That will really teach the British a lesson.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s...ps92c7b209.jpg
Yes, teach the Brits a lesson.
Let's build some Subs.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/05/08/...50_776450.html

Ooops, that didn't quite work out, now need some foreign help to fix them.



"The Spanish Navy's Isaac Peral submarine, part of the new S-80 series commissioned from state-owned shipbuilder Navantia, has a serious problem — it is between 75 and 100 tonnes too heavy.

The excess — the result of miscalculations at the engineering stage — may not sound like much compared with the sub's 2,200-tonne weight when floating and 2,430 tonnes when submerged, but could compromise its ability to submerge and re-emerge.

Navantia, which has never built a submarine before, has admitted the existence of "deviations related to the balance of weights," as reported by La Verdad de Murcia, and estimated that correcting the problem will mean a delay of 12 to 24 months on the March 2015 delivery date. The firm says it is planning to bring in a foreign advisor to solve the problem.

Nobody has yet dared to calculate how much the changes will add to the project, which at 2.2 billion euros for four subs is already one of the most expensive in Spanish military history"


Soon to join the rest of the Spanish navy in Davy Jones Locker, by the look of things.

They don't seem to have learned much about boat building in the last 600 years or so.

Never mind, money's no object, plenty more where that came from.
Can always ask that nice German lady for a little bit more.

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As you're talking about Gibraltar -

I've just finished John Le Carre's latest book 'A Delicate Truth' which centers around a military operation on Gibraltar.

I've just had a nice time driving around the Rock on Google Maps following the route the team took - down Europa Road through the tunnel and out to Sandy Bay on Sir Herbert Miles Road - the chalets there. Nice place.

Thought you might be interested Fred.

Lovely mosque by the way, you could almost be in Burnley.
 
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As you're talking about Gibraltar -

I've just finished John Le Carre's latest book 'A Delicate Truth' which centers around a military operation on Gibraltar.

I've just had a nice time driving around the Rock on Google Maps following the route the team took - down Europa Road through the tunnel and out to Sandy Bay on Sir Herbert Miles Road - the chalets there. Nice place.

Thought you might be interested Fred.

Lovely mosque by the way, you could almost be in Burnley.
Yes at one time ships used to sail between the Pillars of Hercules.

For some years now they have been sailing between the Mosques of Islam

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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
Yes, teach the Brits a lesson.
Let's build some Subs.

http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/05/08/...50_776450.html

Ooops, that didn't quite work out, now need some foreign help to fix them.



"The Spanish Navy's Isaac Peral submarine, part of the new S-80 series commissioned from state-owned shipbuilder Navantia, has a serious problem — it is between 75 and 100 tonnes too heavy.

The excess — the result of miscalculations at the engineering stage — may not sound like much compared with the sub's 2,200-tonne weight when floating and 2,430 tonnes when submerged, but could compromise its ability to submerge and re-emerge.

Navantia, which has never built a submarine before, has admitted the existence of "deviations related to the balance of weights," as reported by La Verdad de Murcia, and estimated that correcting the problem will mean a delay of 12 to 24 months on the March 2015 delivery date. The firm says it is planning to bring in a foreign advisor to solve the problem.

Nobody has yet dared to calculate how much the changes will add to the project, which at 2.2 billion euros for four subs is already one of the most expensive in Spanish military history"


Soon to join the rest of the Spanish navy in Davy Jones Locker, by the look of things.

They don't seem to have learned much about boat building in the last 600 years or so.

Never mind, money's no object, plenty more where that came from.
Can always ask that nice German lady for a little bit more.
The irony in all this is that Isaac Peral was a Spanish naval officer, the designer of one of the first, if not the first, submarine and launched in 1888. Now on display in Cartagena this also "grew" by 22 tons from the original design to that when launched..http://www.histarmar.com.ar/InfGral/...arinoPeral.htm
 
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The irony in all this is that Isaac Peral was a Spanish naval officer, the designer of one of the first, if not the first, submarine and launched in 1888. Now on display in Cartagena this also "grew" by 22 tons from the original design to that when launched..http://www.histarmar.com.ar/InfGral/...arinoPeral.htm
Nicely documented cost of official fiddling dating back to the 1880's
Times never change.

Se presupuestó en 301.500 ptas. Según Peral su costo fue de 457.772,08 ptas. Según las cifras oficiales costó 931.154,46 ptas.
Is budgeted at 301,500 pesetas. According Peral 457,772.08 it cost ptas. According to official figures cost 931,154.46 pesetas.
 
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Nicely documented cost of official fiddling dating back to the 1880's
Times never change.

Se presupuestó en 301.500 ptas. Según Peral su costo fue de 457.772,08 ptas. Según las cifras oficiales costó 931.154,46 ptas.
Is budgeted at 301,500 pesetas. According Peral 457,772.08 it cost ptas. According to official figures cost 931,154.46 pesetas.
Ah, well we had Pepys 200 years earlier who highlighted the problem but did it go away.
Spain even that recently had people in positions where they didn't get a "salary" but had to exist off their % of the money they dispensed.
Recent doc for auction showed that Nelson was concerned about the money for food not being handled properly.

But then have you known any Govt/Military project that wasn't "undercosted" ??
 
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HMS Talent in Gibraltar yesterday, the first visit by a Royal navy submarine in five years.

http://www.chronicle.gi/headlines_details.php?id=29172
 
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Originally Posted by Fredbargate
Yes at one time ships used to sail between the Pillars of Hercules.

For some years now they have been sailing between the Mosques of Islam

( Gib and Tangiers )



The Chalets

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I've been to Gibraltar once on a day trip, but after my 'drive' last night, I'm tempted to a 2 or 3 day break there next winter. I'd love to walk down Europa Road and have a snoop.
 
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Originally Posted by notacontrathinker
I've been to Gibraltar once on a day trip, but after my 'drive' last night, I'm tempted to a 2 or 3 day break there next winter. I'd love to walk down Europa Road and have a snoop.
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