No Smoking
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:26 pm
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Re: No Smoking
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That said, I hate smoky bars and smoking in restaurants etc, but I think its become a witch hunt and an obsession thats out of proportion to its bad effects
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Witch hunt?,...Obsession?
I see it as part of a general campaign to improve the health and social environment for the benefit of the whole population,.....smoking or not.
Is that such a terrible thing to do?....
That said, I hate smoky bars and smoking in restaurants etc, but I think its become a witch hunt and an obsession thats out of proportion to its bad effects
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Witch hunt?,...Obsession?
I see it as part of a general campaign to improve the health and social environment for the benefit of the whole population,.....smoking or not.
Is that such a terrible thing to do?....
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:29 pm
#62
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Re: No Smoking
hm...... I could be wrong, of course, but I thought strokes were associated with smoking? I know, I know, she was 98... but they are, aren't they?
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:48 pm
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Re: No Smoking
"They" say that every possible cause of death is related to smoking! But surely if smoking caused strokes then only smokers would die from strokes.
BTW, I'm certainly not saying that smoking is good, cos it isnt, its a filthy habit and pointless. I just think the effects are being grossly exaggerated. People are becoming terrified of cigarette smoke as if it were mustard gas or something. We forget that generations of our ancestors smoked and lived long and happy lives.
Jo xxx
Nov 11th 2009 | 9:54 pm
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Re: No Smoking
I'll try not to bang on about this, but its a subject close to my heart and I've studied at some legth. The evils of sugar!! It makes us fat, it rots our teeth it suppresses our immune sytem, it feeds cancer cells..... but of course the sugar industry controls most governments and has succesffully managed to have the word "sugar" removed from diabetes or its association and has all but stopped dentists from mentioning that its sugar that causes tooth decay....... They slip it into low fat foods, to make them palatable, its everywhere. If you look at the corrolation between the increase of sugar in our diets and the increase of cancer, heart desease, diabetes, obesity - there is no doubt why the west is actually becoming more unhealthy - nowt to do with fags!!
Jo xxx
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Nov 11th 2009 | 10:12 pm
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Re: No Smoking
Problems with other aspects of peoples lifestyles do nothing to justify your arguement.
In any event as I understand it these other issues are being considered.
For example, I posted recently regarding the new Catalan laws coming into force to help deal with alcohol abuse.
Nov 11th 2009 | 10:45 pm
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Nov 11th 2009 | 10:46 pm
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Re: No Smoking
Two wrongs dont make a right.
Problems with other aspects of peoples lifestyles do nothing to justify your arguement.
In any event as I understand it these other issues are being considered.
For example, I posted recently regarding the new Catalan laws coming into force to help deal with alcohol abuse.
Problems with other aspects of peoples lifestyles do nothing to justify your arguement.
In any event as I understand it these other issues are being considered.
For example, I posted recently regarding the new Catalan laws coming into force to help deal with alcohol abuse.
Jo xxx
Nov 11th 2009 | 11:13 pm
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Nov 12th 2009 | 12:44 am
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Re: No Smoking
...... or maybe its the pollution in the air from smoke, factories chemicals, fuels (theres a school of thought that reckon diesel is a trigger for asthmatics), insectacides, or the junk they put in foods etc.. When I was a kid, there was only one boy in the whole school who had asthma, you cant blame the recent rise on fags can you????
Jo xxxx
Jo xxxx
I grew up with coal fires in the rooms, I remember strikes and power cuts, my mother bathed us in the sink in the kitchen and a steel tub in the front room.
Food was always fried, we never had much in the way of salads and fruit, most of the time we`d eat sweets and crisps.But we hardly watched tv, it was normal to be ouside playing.
I used to play in the docks, on the rail lines before I was 10 yrs old.Our favorite past time was chasing and climbing onto the shunting trains goin back and for the docks, trying to avoid getting caught, which we oftern did and got smacked, hard.
My father used a belt and also a bamboo stick.
No health and Safety, I lost the top of a finger playing in a pile of slate left in the street by builders.
One of my best ever xmas present was hand made by my father, but would have been banned in todays world for being dangerous.
My point I grew up in a home less than a mile from one of the UK largest steel and docklands, the air was always smokey, we were always dirty.
The industrial days where far more polluting than today.
And I`m only going back to the 60`s & 70`s.
God I sound old.
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Nov 12th 2009 | 1:49 am
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Re: No Smoking
My father worked for 40 yrs in a steel works.
I grew up with coal fires in the rooms, I remember strikes and power cuts, my mother bathed us in the sink in the kitchen and a steel tub in the front room.
Food was always fried, we never had much in the way of salads and fruit, most of the time we`d eat sweets and crisps.But we hardly watched tv, it was normal to be ouside playing.
I used to play in the docks, on the rail lines before I was 10 yrs old.Our favorite past time was chasing and climbing onto the shunting trains goin back and for the docks, trying to avoid getting caught, which we oftern did and got smacked, hard.
My father used a belt and also a bamboo stick.
No health and Safety, I lost the top of a finger playing in a pile of slate left in the street by builders.
One of my best ever xmas present was hand made by my father, but would have been banned in todays world for being dangerous.
My point I grew up in a home less than a mile from one of the UK largest steel and docklands, the air was always smokey, we were always dirty.
The industrial days where far more polluting than today.
And I`m only going back to the 60`s & 70`s.
God I sound old.
I grew up with coal fires in the rooms, I remember strikes and power cuts, my mother bathed us in the sink in the kitchen and a steel tub in the front room.
Food was always fried, we never had much in the way of salads and fruit, most of the time we`d eat sweets and crisps.But we hardly watched tv, it was normal to be ouside playing.
I used to play in the docks, on the rail lines before I was 10 yrs old.Our favorite past time was chasing and climbing onto the shunting trains goin back and for the docks, trying to avoid getting caught, which we oftern did and got smacked, hard.
My father used a belt and also a bamboo stick.
No health and Safety, I lost the top of a finger playing in a pile of slate left in the street by builders.
One of my best ever xmas present was hand made by my father, but would have been banned in todays world for being dangerous.
My point I grew up in a home less than a mile from one of the UK largest steel and docklands, the air was always smokey, we were always dirty.
The industrial days where far more polluting than today.
And I`m only going back to the 60`s & 70`s.
God I sound old.
I'll bet the workers all smoked, but didnt eat too much sugar!! Jo xxx
Nov 12th 2009 | 2:25 am
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Re: No Smoking
My father worked for 40 yrs in a steel works.
I grew up with coal fires in the rooms, I remember strikes and power cuts, my mother bathed us in the sink in the kitchen and a steel tub in the front room.
Food was always fried, we never had much in the way of salads and fruit, most of the time we`d eat sweets and crisps.But we hardly watched tv, it was normal to be ouside playing.
I used to play in the docks, on the rail lines before I was 10 yrs old.Our favorite past time was chasing and climbing onto the shunting trains goin back and for the docks, trying to avoid getting caught, which we oftern did and got smacked, hard.
My father used a belt and also a bamboo stick.
No health and Safety, I lost the top of a finger playing in a pile of slate left in the street by builders.
One of my best ever xmas present was hand made by my father, but would have been banned in todays world for being dangerous.
My point I grew up in a home less than a mile from one of the UK largest steel and docklands, the air was always smokey, we were always dirty.
The industrial days where far more polluting than today.
And I`m only going back to the 60`s & 70`s.
God I sound old.
I grew up with coal fires in the rooms, I remember strikes and power cuts, my mother bathed us in the sink in the kitchen and a steel tub in the front room.
Food was always fried, we never had much in the way of salads and fruit, most of the time we`d eat sweets and crisps.But we hardly watched tv, it was normal to be ouside playing.
I used to play in the docks, on the rail lines before I was 10 yrs old.Our favorite past time was chasing and climbing onto the shunting trains goin back and for the docks, trying to avoid getting caught, which we oftern did and got smacked, hard.
My father used a belt and also a bamboo stick.
No health and Safety, I lost the top of a finger playing in a pile of slate left in the street by builders.
One of my best ever xmas present was hand made by my father, but would have been banned in todays world for being dangerous.
My point I grew up in a home less than a mile from one of the UK largest steel and docklands, the air was always smokey, we were always dirty.
The industrial days where far more polluting than today.
And I`m only going back to the 60`s & 70`s.
God I sound old.
On the plus side,home made wooden Xmas pressies which could have lasted for ever,riding the back of trains between villages and if we were short of a football,which was most of the time,the butcher next door would always fix us up with a blown-up pigs bladder.
To get back to the point,kids were so much more active then, it didnt matter so much what they ate, as that they seemed to burn off any excess calories quite easily.
However if you compare the average lifespan back then with todays, you will find that things like pollution from smokey air,dangerous jobs and industrial diseases partly from polluted working conditions,all had a devastating effect overall.
There are always some individuals who buck the trend, but the vast majority definitely did not have such a long innings.
Nov 12th 2009 | 2:49 am
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Re: No Smoking
My father worked for 40 yrs in a steel works.
I grew up with coal fires in the rooms, I remember strikes and power cuts, my mother bathed us in the sink in the kitchen and a steel tub in the front room.
Food was always fried, we never had much in the way of salads and fruit, most of the time we`d eat sweets and crisps.But we hardly watched tv, it was normal to be ouside playing.
I used to play in the docks, on the rail lines before I was 10 yrs old.Our favorite past time was chasing and climbing onto the shunting trains goin back and for the docks, trying to avoid getting caught, which we oftern did and got smacked, hard.
My father used a belt and also a bamboo stick.
No health and Safety, I lost the top of a finger playing in a pile of slate left in the street by builders.
One of my best ever xmas present was hand made by my father, but would have been banned in todays world for being dangerous.
My point I grew up in a home less than a mile from one of the UK largest steel and docklands, the air was always smokey, we were always dirty.
The industrial days where far more polluting than today.
I grew up with coal fires in the rooms, I remember strikes and power cuts, my mother bathed us in the sink in the kitchen and a steel tub in the front room.
Food was always fried, we never had much in the way of salads and fruit, most of the time we`d eat sweets and crisps.But we hardly watched tv, it was normal to be ouside playing.
I used to play in the docks, on the rail lines before I was 10 yrs old.Our favorite past time was chasing and climbing onto the shunting trains goin back and for the docks, trying to avoid getting caught, which we oftern did and got smacked, hard.
My father used a belt and also a bamboo stick.
No health and Safety, I lost the top of a finger playing in a pile of slate left in the street by builders.
One of my best ever xmas present was hand made by my father, but would have been banned in todays world for being dangerous.
My point I grew up in a home less than a mile from one of the UK largest steel and docklands, the air was always smokey, we were always dirty.
The industrial days where far more polluting than today.
As said at the begining when still on topic, this law is not yet a certainty but is likely at some point.
I'm a smoker but I do have to look at things from both sides. You can blame as many illnesses and diseases as you like on smoking and you can quote as many OAPs that lived long and smoked but the simple fact is.....it isn't good for you or the people around you.
IMO I don't believe it would be right to bring in an outright ban in all places of public use. Maybe an idea to offer bars the option with a license to have a "smoking establishment" (yes another tax) and maybe even limit the amount of smoking establishmensts with a view to reviewing in 1 years time.
I'm sure there are many options and ideas out there but you can't pleaase all of the people all of the time.
