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missbad Aug 11th 2009 2:37 am

Nie
 
Hi

We got our nie numbers back in 2007, mine in my maiden name. However lost them and cant the life of me think where they are.

Do i just go back to Malaga and register again or will they have dulpicates.

Thanks xx:)

Mitzyboy Aug 11th 2009 2:46 am

Re: Nie
 

Originally Posted by missbad (Post 7832944)
Hi

We got our nie numbers back in 2007, mine in my maiden name. However lost them and cant the life of me think where they are.

Do i just go back to Malaga and register again or will they have dulpicates.

Thanks xx:)

We lost our certificates and just went back to the Police station and got duplicates, no charge. It will help if you have the numbers, but I would caution against registering again if you can help it

johnnycakes Aug 11th 2009 2:49 am

Re: Nie
 

Originally Posted by missbad (Post 7832944)
Hi

We got our nie numbers back in 2007, mine in my maiden name. However lost them and cant the life of me think where they are.

Do i just go back to Malaga and register again or will they have dulpicates.

Thanks xx:)

If you had the nice plastic credit card-sized NIEs you'll be ecstatic (not really) to find out they no longer give those out and instead print off an A4 sheet of paper. This A4 sheet of paper is now your "NIE" even though it states clearly that "This document is not valid for proving the identity of the holder".

You should be able to go to wherever you got your NIE from and get a replacement filling in the right forms (I don't know which); they literally print off the sheet of paper there and then.

e;fb

Mitzyboy Aug 11th 2009 2:52 am

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Originally Posted by johnnycakes (Post 7832997)
If you had the nice plastic credit card-sized NIEs you'll be ecstatic (not really) to find out they no longer give those out and instead print off an A4 sheet of paper. This A4 sheet of paper is now your "NIE" even though it states clearly that "This document is not valid for proving the identity of the holder".

You should be able to go to wherever you got your NIE from and get a replacement filling in the right forms (I don't know which); they literally print off the sheet of paper there and then.

e;fb

The plastic cards were residenca cards not NIE's, the NIE's were A4 before, but yes you are right its a combined A4 certificate now for both

johnnycakes Aug 11th 2009 2:54 am

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 7833016)
The plastic cards were residenca cards not NIE's, the NIE's were A4 before, but yes you are right its a combined A4 certificate now for both

Oh, I'd always assumed it was the NIE. The more you know.

spainrico Aug 11th 2009 3:08 am

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So what if you are applying for an NIE but remaining non resident? ie needing NIE to purchase a property but not moving over full time.

Mitzyboy Aug 11th 2009 3:13 am

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Originally Posted by spainrico (Post 7833079)
So what if you are applying for an NIE but remaining non resident? ie needing NIE to purchase a property but not moving over full time.

I guess you'll just get an NIE cert. We had an NIE and when we applied for the foreigners certificate (residencia as its generally called) it was combined with our NIE. If you aren't applying for the foreigners cert though, I guess you just get an NIE :)

Its a different application form anyway, EX14 & EX 16 I think

snikpoh Aug 11th 2009 3:13 am

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Originally Posted by spainrico (Post 7833079)
So what if you are applying for an NIE but remaining non resident? ie needing NIE to purchase a property but not moving over full time.

You just apply for the NIE, or get your lawyer to do it for you. You can either JUST get the NIE or get BOTH via the residencia.

What you can't have is a residencia without an NIE.

spainrico Aug 11th 2009 3:34 am

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Yes there are 2 forms - Ex 14 and EX 16, NIE and Residencia. Just surprised they have combined it as the residencia is all part of an EU process whereas NIE is Spanish taxation.

I have been successfully using my Spanish driving licence as ID since my residence card was stolen. (Although I have got the cert.)

Mitzyboy Aug 11th 2009 3:39 am

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Originally Posted by spainrico (Post 7833152)
Yes there are 2 forms - Ex 14 and EX 16, NIE and Residencia. Just surprised they have combined it as the residencia is all part of an EU process whereas NIE is Spanish taxation.

I have been successfully using my Spanish driving licence as ID since my residence card was stolen. (Although I have got the cert.)

Yes, as I mentioned elsewhere, on a daily basis I have never been asked for my passport as ID. In the tax office, yes, but not generally out and about.

spainrico Aug 11th 2009 3:42 am

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Me neither and I have never carried it around in 10 yrs of living here - only if I am going to the notary or somewhere official.

jdr Aug 11th 2009 4:11 am

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Originally Posted by spainrico (Post 7833171)
Me neither and I have never carried it around in 10 yrs of living here - only if I am going to the notary or somewhere official.

As far as I know it is an offence not to carry it, the foreign office strongly advice anyone in a foreign country to carry it as it is the only legal ID Brits have.

Mitzyboy Aug 11th 2009 4:13 am

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7833261)
As far as I know it is an offence not to carry it, the foreign office strongly advice anyone in a foreign country to carry it as it is the only legal ID Brits have.

We always carry them
Just never asked for them

Fred James Aug 11th 2009 5:08 am

Re: Nie
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7833261)
As far as I know it is an offence not to carry it, the foreign office strongly advice anyone in a foreign country to carry it as it is the only legal ID Brits have.

It is no longer an offence not to carry ID.

You are obliged to prove your identity if asked and having your passport or other ID will help but it is not compulsory.

You might have to wait in the cells for your OH to bring it though!

jdr Aug 11th 2009 5:09 am

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Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 7833471)
It is no longer an offence not to carry ID.

You are obliged to prove your identity if asked and having your passport or other ID will help but it is not compulsory.

You might have to wait in the cells for your OH to bring it though!

Lol.

lynnxa Aug 11th 2009 5:12 am

Re: Nie
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 7833471)
It is no longer an offence not to carry ID.

You are obliged to prove your identity if asked and having your passport or other ID will help but it is not compulsory.

You might have to wait in the cells for your OH to bring it though!

but do the 'authorities' know this?


I didn't used to carry my passport until I was told off one day doing a translation at the Guardia


so I started carrying it



& promptly lost it:frown:

Fred James Aug 11th 2009 6:36 am

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 7833489)
but do the 'authorities' know this?

Of course not - this is Spain after all!:)

Veleta Aug 11th 2009 10:00 am

Re: Nie
 

Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 7833489)
but do the 'authorities' know this?


I didn't used to carry my passport until I was told off one day doing a translation at the Guardia


so I started carrying it



& promptly lost it:frown:

How did you get onto the translators list for the guardia? Is the list held by them or an external company? Are you an "official" translator or don't they bother with any officialdom here? Are you on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Do you get paid mega bucks when they call you in?

Sorry for all the questions:p.....I'd like to get involved in that here.

Veleta

lynnxa Aug 11th 2009 7:29 pm

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Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 7834127)
How did you get onto the translators list for the guardia? Is the list held by them or an external company? Are you an "official" translator or don't they bother with any officialdom here? Are you on call 24 hours a day, 7 days a week? Do you get paid mega bucks when they call you in?

Sorry for all the questions:p.....I'd like to get involved in that here.

Veleta

I'm not on their list it was a favour - though I have done quite a lot of favours down there (don't get paid btw)

they didn't used to have an official translator there - but I saw a poster that they do now between certain hours

official translators get paid a fortune - someone on here has a wife who does that - cricketman I think?

Veleta Aug 11th 2009 8:32 pm

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Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 7835204)
I'm not on their list it was a favour - though I have done quite a lot of favours down there (don't get paid btw)

they didn't used to have an official translator there - but I saw a poster that they do now between certain hours

official translators get paid a fortune - someone on here has a wife who does that - cricketman I think?

In the UK I used to work in a Police Station and I remember they had an official list of translators...for every language of course. Each time a foreigner got arrested, or was the victim of crime, they had to contact a translator from the list. Of course it could be anytime day or night. But the translators were paid huge amounts of money. It was something like 50 pounds an hour for "normal" hours, and then more like 75 pounds an hour for the "anti-social" hours. It's a good crack if you can get it. Their travelling time was also paid for. And a lot of the time they were in the police station they were just hanging around in waiting rooms. I could hang around in a waiting room for 75 pounds an hour!!!!

lynnxa Aug 11th 2009 9:31 pm

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Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 7835335)
In the UK I used to work in a Police Station and I remember they had an official list of translators...for every language of course. Each time a foreigner got arrested, or was the victim of crime, they had to contact a translator from the list. Of course it could be anytime day or night. But the translators were paid huge amounts of money. It was something like 50 pounds an hour for "normal" hours, and then more like 75 pounds an hour for the "anti-social" hours. It's a good crack if you can get it. Their travelling time was also paid for. And a lot of the time they were in the police station they were just hanging around in waiting rooms. I could hang around in a waiting room for 75 pounds an hour!!!!

I have a sneaky suspicion that they are not paid for by the Guardia - here anyway

I think the 'victim' or whatever would have pay out of their own pocket

that would be good money indeed though

someone I know had to get some documents 'officially' translated

it was 75 euros per page - regardless of the number of words on the page!


I don't suppose there's work every day though...............

Veleta Aug 11th 2009 9:49 pm

Re: Nie
 

Originally Posted by lynnxa (Post 7835441)
I have a sneaky suspicion that they are not paid for by the Guardia - here anyway

I think the 'victim' or whatever would have pay out of their own pocket

that would be good money indeed though

someone I know had to get some documents 'officially' translated

it was 75 euros per page - regardless of the number of words on the page!


I don't suppose there's work every day though...............

No, in the UK it certainly wasn't a full time job. But it wasn't really job at all. People used to sign up and just considered it a bit of an "extra". They would do it alongside their regular jobs.

But it's nice to get phone call out of the blue every now and again to say "hey, fancy earning 300 quid for hardly doing anything?".


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