Is the new anti-smoking law working?
Jan 20th 2011, 5:30 pm
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
Yes, this has got interesting hasn't it? I wish I knew more about GM. They are always saying that they aren't doing anything that doesn't happen in nature but - inserting spider genes into carrots? Does that happen in nature? Is the natural inclusion of viral DNA into the human genome the same process?
The problem people have with Genetic Engineering is the Law of Unintended Consequences - making a change in a complex system in order to achieve a specific outcome may have another completely different and unforeseen effect. It is difficult to test for. An example of an unintended consequence (although not caused by GM) is the problems caused by the sedative Thalidomide.
The problem people have with Genetic Engineering is the Law of Unintended Consequences - making a change in a complex system in order to achieve a specific outcome may have another completely different and unforeseen effect. It is difficult to test for. An example of an unintended consequence (although not caused by GM) is the problems caused by the sedative Thalidomide.
Thalidomide. When you make a chemical of a certain complexity, the molecule can be left handed or right hander. Isomerism. So there is D-Thalidomide, and L-D. (dextro and laevo - Right and left.)
One of these is an excellent sedative, the other suppresses the growth of bloodvessels. If a woman is pregnant and takes it at the stage when blood vessels are growing to supply the new legs or arms of the foetus, then the legs or arms do not develop.
However, the 'Bad' isomer is a magic bullet agains certain cancers, and also leprosy.
Jan 20th 2011, 5:45 pm
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
...which isnt very far at all
1 million children every year die from diarhoerra (spelling?) and related conditions due to dirty drinking water
So much for science!
There have to be priorities in life. For little cost we could make sure that people had enough food, water and shelter in this life and help educate them so they dont go having 10 kids each and over-populate the planet.
My suggestion is lets leave building spaceships and tampering with genetics (which someone said could have a host of unintended consequencies) until we sort the basics out.
1 million children every year die from diarhoerra (spelling?) and related conditions due to dirty drinking water
So much for science!
There have to be priorities in life. For little cost we could make sure that people had enough food, water and shelter in this life and help educate them so they dont go having 10 kids each and over-populate the planet.
My suggestion is lets leave building spaceships and tampering with genetics (which someone said could have a host of unintended consequencies) until we sort the basics out.
Jan 20th 2011, 6:19 pm
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
...which isnt very far at all
1 million children every year die from diarhoerra (spelling?) and related conditions due to dirty drinking water
So much for science!
There have to be priorities in life. For little cost we could make sure that people had enough food, water and shelter in this life and help educate them so they dont go having 10 kids each and over-populate the planet.
My suggestion is lets leave building spaceships and tampering with genetics (which someone said could have a host of unintended consequencies) until we sort the basics out.
1 million children every year die from diarhoerra (spelling?) and related conditions due to dirty drinking water
So much for science!
There have to be priorities in life. For little cost we could make sure that people had enough food, water and shelter in this life and help educate them so they dont go having 10 kids each and over-populate the planet.
My suggestion is lets leave building spaceships and tampering with genetics (which someone said could have a host of unintended consequencies) until we sort the basics out.
Interestingly, the real key to population control and improving the lot of people is to educate women and make sure they have access to simple, effective contraception.
trouble is, catholicism campaigns virulently against condoms, education and so on. Keeping them dirty, ignorant and pregnant is the way to keep power over the masses.
If you could empty the basements of the Vatican of its wealth and treasure, and use that money to help the poor and the needy, you'd have the money you need for all that clean water.
They won't tho will they? Camels and needles, camels and needles.
It could be an interesting conversation between god and the departed popes, eh? If their god is as nasty as they reckon, they are in for a very rough time.
Oh yeah, I forget, all you have to do is say 'Oopsie. Sorry about that' before you die, and it's all ok, isn't it?
Jan 20th 2011, 6:23 pm
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
Short of giving them all a compulsory snip at a very early age, I don't see things improving much.
Jan 20th 2011, 6:25 pm
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
The old spaceship arguement doesn't cut a lot of ice tho, does it? Satellites give us all help with predicting weather, mapping, and so on.
Interestingly, the real key to population control and improving the lot of people is to educate women and make sure they have access to simple, effective contraception.
trouble is, catholicism campaigns virulently against condoms, education and so on. Keeping them dirty, ignorant and pregnant is the way to keep power over the masses.
If you could empty the basements of the Vatican of its wealth and treasure, and use that money to help the poor and the needy, you'd have the money you need for all that clean water.
They won't tho will they? Camels and needles, camels and needles.
It could be an interesting conversation between god and the departed popes, eh? If their god is as nasty as they reckon, they are in for a very rough time.
Oh yeah, I forget, all you have to do is say 'Oopsie. Sorry about that' before you die, and it's all ok, isn't it?
Interestingly, the real key to population control and improving the lot of people is to educate women and make sure they have access to simple, effective contraception.
trouble is, catholicism campaigns virulently against condoms, education and so on. Keeping them dirty, ignorant and pregnant is the way to keep power over the masses.
If you could empty the basements of the Vatican of its wealth and treasure, and use that money to help the poor and the needy, you'd have the money you need for all that clean water.
They won't tho will they? Camels and needles, camels and needles.
It could be an interesting conversation between god and the departed popes, eh? If their god is as nasty as they reckon, they are in for a very rough time.
Oh yeah, I forget, all you have to do is say 'Oopsie. Sorry about that' before you die, and it's all ok, isn't it?
Personally I am for athiesm, science, philosophy and anarchy (that's Spanish pre-civil war anarchy, rather than punk rocker anti-McDonalds anarchy)
Jan 20th 2011, 8:16 pm
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
Ah, no, wait a minute. We can stick bits from a spider into a cow or a bacterium so that it will produce spider silk. If we could produce a silk stronger even than in nature, it would be a very useful.
Thalidomide. When you make a chemical of a certain complexity, the molecule can be left handed or right hander. Isomerism. So there is D-Thalidomide, and L-D. (dextro and laevo - Right and left.)
One of these is an excellent sedative, the other suppresses the growth of bloodvessels. If a woman is pregnant and takes it at the stage when blood vessels are growing to supply the new legs or arms of the foetus, then the legs or arms do not develop.
However, the 'Bad' isomer is a magic bullet agains certain cancers, and also leprosy.
Thalidomide. When you make a chemical of a certain complexity, the molecule can be left handed or right hander. Isomerism. So there is D-Thalidomide, and L-D. (dextro and laevo - Right and left.)
One of these is an excellent sedative, the other suppresses the growth of bloodvessels. If a woman is pregnant and takes it at the stage when blood vessels are growing to supply the new legs or arms of the foetus, then the legs or arms do not develop.
However, the 'Bad' isomer is a magic bullet agains certain cancers, and also leprosy.
Jan 21st 2011, 7:01 am
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Jan 21st 2011, 7:09 am
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
I went for a beer yesterday and finding the bar empty, after a few minutes of calling, I went into the back (a sort of kitchentte with a sink and window.
The owner had an ashtray on the draining board, the window open and he was blowing the smoke out with his face presssed up against the bars.
I got my own beer...as he was otherwise engaged.
So yes I can honestly say that the smoking ban is working, as I have seen it with my own eyes
The owner had an ashtray on the draining board, the window open and he was blowing the smoke out with his face presssed up against the bars.
I got my own beer...as he was otherwise engaged.
So yes I can honestly say that the smoking ban is working, as I have seen it with my own eyes
Jan 21st 2011, 8:43 am
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
I went for a beer yesterday and finding the bar empty, after a few minutes of calling, I went into the back (a sort of kitchentte with a sink and window.
The owner had an ashtray on the draining board, the window open and he was blowing the smoke out with his face presssed up against the bars.
I got my own beer...as he was otherwise engaged.
So yes I can honestly say that the smoking ban is working, as I have seen it with my own eyes
The owner had an ashtray on the draining board, the window open and he was blowing the smoke out with his face presssed up against the bars.
I got my own beer...as he was otherwise engaged.
So yes I can honestly say that the smoking ban is working, as I have seen it with my own eyes
Reminds me of Ireland.
Jan 22nd 2011, 11:18 pm
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
I've been away, what have I missed?
Jan 23rd 2011, 5:50 am
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Jan 23rd 2011, 9:28 am
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Re: Is the new anti-smoking law working?
Where have you been?
Latest news on the smoking, yesterday in velez-málaga the Police entered a bar for a coffee and three men were sat smoking. They refused to put the cigs out and a punch-up developed. One ran off and the other two were arrested after the Police were injured.
Latest news on the smoking, yesterday in velez-málaga the Police entered a bar for a coffee and three men were sat smoking. They refused to put the cigs out and a punch-up developed. One ran off and the other two were arrested after the Police were injured.