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Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by therustynail
(Post 9902424)
I wish you all the luck because you are going to need it. See you back in the UK this time next year!!
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Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by jojojojojo
(Post 9903081)
I do wish you were a little less rude, a little more constructive and that you had a little more respect for other peoples views and experience! Its not a good idea to imply that its easy to find work - its misleading and could destroy lives and families. You say that you found it easy, well thats great. But I dont hear anyone else saying that, which suggest the law of averages is against people being able to go to Spain and slip easily into work!! I'm back in the UK now and trust me, finding work here is far easier and more secure than finding work in Spain - certainly unskilled work.
However, if someone has an alternative income then its great. Yes there are a few jobs, but most unskilled jobs are cash in hand - on the black type jobs, which arent secure or reliable as a main income and mean you dont enter the social security system. Down in Marbella, there are a few call centre type jobs for british speakers, mostly part time and mostly commission only and not particularly fun or long term. I worked in a couple of them. I certainly wouldnt have been able to live on my income, but as a second income its ok Jo xxxx Also, I know people living in Marbella that commute to other places for work and people who commute TO Marbella to work. So the job doesn't have to be in the place you live. Buses and the like are very cheap, handy and reliable. ;) |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by dmu
(Post 9903112)
Hi from the France forum where there have been a few threads recently on the subject of "partners" who are accompanying their working OH but without much prospect of finding work for themselves.
There's a serious economic crisis in Southern Europe, with unemployment rates much higher than in the UK, and many future ex-pats don't seem to realize this....:blink: Even if one salary is sufficient for the couple, there's the question of healthcare insurance, since "partners" aren't covered by their OH's social security. The OP should look into this carefully, as any reciprocal S.S. agreement between Spain and the UK won't be eternal, and she'd have to budget for private healthcare insurance in case she doesn't find declared work. Fore-warned is fore-armed!:) Good posts from Jo and Fiona.:thumbup: and of course DMU all the way from France :thumbup: has raised a very good point about health care for partners, as in, there is none. The old apple a day method might work, but if that fails, and there is a serious illness, it could be pricey, to say the least. |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
I often wonder if the posters who ask about jobs or business opportunities on BE look on employment and business sites too, or just come here.
Because that is where I would start, and get the info out of the horses mouth, instead of coming on here and getting the info out of the horses arse. ;) |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
But very useful if you want to start up in business as a rose grower.:rofl:
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Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by Lushdaddy
(Post 9903728)
I think that the posts I quoted are very impolite to the OP. I don't pretend things are rosy but for goodness sake let someone have a chance instead of wafting them away before they even get a sniff of what life could be like. Sorry if you think I'm rude. I don't mean to be.
People have their chance and they what they want is accurate information, not BS! They are asking what the situation is like and whether the people who are living in Spain can shed light on the employment situation etc and we are telling them. After that its down to them. It would be unkind and irresponsible to lie and say "yay, its great here, loadsa jobs, come on over"!! I always try to tailor my advise with the info given ie. if its a young free and single person, my advise would be different to that I would give to a family with kids, commitments, no skills etc. Anyway, apart from that I like your posts, just try to be pleasant, it makes all the difference! :p Jo xxx |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by sujee
(Post 9903831)
But very useful if you want to start up in business as a rose grower.:rofl:
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Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by jojojojojo
(Post 9903081)
I do wish you were a little less rude, a little more constructive and that you had a little more respect for other peoples views and experience! Its not a good idea to imply that its easy to find work - its misleading and could destroy lives and families. You say that you found it easy, well thats great. But I dont hear anyone else saying that, which suggest the law of averages is against people being able to go to Spain and slip easily into work!! I'm back in the UK now and trust me, finding work here is far easier and more secure than finding work in Spain - certainly unskilled work.
However, if someone has an alternative income then its great. Yes there are a few jobs, but most unskilled jobs are cash in hand - on the black type jobs, which arent secure or reliable as a main income and mean you dont enter the social security system. Down in Marbella, there are a few call centre type jobs for british speakers, mostly part time and mostly commission only and not particularly fun or long term. I worked in a couple of them. I certainly wouldnt have been able to live on my income, but as a second income its ok Jo xxxx In their CVs, they have put thier status, married and the number of kids they have- I was just wondering if it would be better to leave this info out. Any advice? |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9903867)
A couple of Spanish men have asked me about unskilled work in the UK, they are thinking of going there for agency work, but leaving the wives and kids at home in Spain.
In their CVs, they have put thier status, married and the number of kids they have- I was just wondering if it would be better to leave this info out. Any advice? Jo xxx |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by Lushdaddy
(Post 9904347)
You are one of the biggest horeses arses on here.. Keep spain to yourself mister selfish. Nobody else deserves to move here unless they are fluent spanish, eat gold for breakfast and ride ponies in gym class. Some of us live in the real world mate. Sorry Jo, hope this wasn't rude. I will try in the future to be less rude. I promise.:fingerscrossed: :)
OK to continue. I have no shame or regret in saying I believe anyone moving to live in a country should aspire to be able to pass a day (actually a lot more than a day but you hopefully get my point) in that country capable of explaining their needs, understanding a reasonable amount of what is said to them and with a bit of luck and a passing wind, maybe even have an entertaining conversation. In the native language of that country. Achieving that is apparently beyond some people. Ok people are all different. That jobs exist requiring no useful knowledge of the native language seems implausible to me; I'd like to know what and where they are and what they pay! And before you fire off anything suggesting I'm belittling the OP, I'm absolutely not doing that. I'm answering observations which seem somewhat personalised. Though I could of course be wrong. As I said a couple of posts back, the OP had the wisdom to seek advice and will presumably have the wisdom to choose whose advice (if any) she takes. |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by Lushdaddy
(Post 9904347)
You are one of the biggest horeses arses on here.. Keep spain to yourself mister selfish. Nobody else deserves to move here unless they are fluent spanish, eat gold for breakfast and ride ponies in gym class. Some of us live in the real world mate. Sorry Jo, hope this wasn't rude. I will try in the future to be less rude. I promise.:fingerscrossed: :)
If you could hear the Spanish talking amongst themselves, which is physically impossible if you are not Spanish BTW.....you would see, that we understand the people from poorer countries coming here to keep body and soul together, usually sending money home to thier own countires. In fact they earn the respect of the locals, they are doing the right thing for the right reason, like the Spanish who emigrated did. What they do find incredible, and even offesive are the "bottom feeders" from richer countries, where the people are doing their bumming, scamming, scraping, crap jobs, not to give the family an advantage, but because they want to be in the sun/cheap fags and booze/and who mainly dont give a toss about what their kids will do for a living. As I asked before,what are they really expecting their children to do for a living? That is if they have even considered that aspect of "living their dream". Welcome to the retired and early retired, it give us pleasure to know that they choses Spain to live, without screwing Spain in the process. They may not be rich, but live a life of dignity, enjoying their life,good on them.....it is great what they are doing. Asit has been said often Spanish people are big on families and they cannot understand why any parent would jeopardise the future of their own kids, by schlepping around Spain for what is in most cases no more than a few years, if they last that long........pissing the money earned up the wall, unlike the S. AMs that spend any spare money home. Load of Spanish, Italians etc left home to work in UK and other countries, but when they went back home, they were RICHER and could give the whole family a legup, not like the Brits who more often than not go home POORER after their little jaunt to Spain. What kind of head of the household would do that? |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by jojojojojo
(Post 9903885)
I dont think it matters. Altho once they get the jobs they would be able to claim child and family allowance from the british government, even if their families are in Spain. so its probably best to include it! In the UK, they're not allowed to discriminate if people have families or issues that dont have any relevance to the job, nor are they allowed to be discriminated against because of their nationality
Jo xxx These are hard times, and people are getting exploited in places like the UK and even "rich" Norway http://elpais.com/elpais/2012/02/15/...58_033115.html - shows that the grass is not always greener, and that learning a language first is essential for some jobs. "We used to get Norwegians, Poles, the odd family of political refugees... but in March, the Spaniards started to arrive," explains Husebo. "Since then, we've had 250 of them. At first it was men of all ages, then single women in their thirties. Later it was family men, some with their children in tow. Most never find a job because they speak neither Norwegian nor English." |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9904921)
At the risk of getting everyones back up, we dont need anymore "bottom feeders"...........we have enough of our own and imported ones from poorer countries scraping around for any old thing to earn a crust.
If you could hear the Spanish talking amongst themselves, which is physically impossible if you are not Spanish BTW.....you would see, that we understand the people from poorer countries coming here to keep body and soul together, usually sending money home to thier own countires. In fact they earn the respect of the locals, they are doing the right thing for the right reason, like the Spanish who emigrated did. What they do find incredible, and even offesive are the "bottom feeders" from richer countries, where the people are doing their bumming, scamming, scraping, crap jobs, not to give the family an advantage, but because they want to be in the sun/cheap fags and booze/and who mainly dont give a toss about what their kids will do for a living. As I asked before,what are they really expecting their children to do for a living? That is if they have even considered that aspect of "living their dream". Welcome to the retired and early retired, it give us pleasure to know that they choses Spain to live, without screwing Spain in the process. They may not be rich, but live a life of dignity, enjoying their life,good on them.....it is great what they are doing. Asit has been said often Spanish people are big on families and they cannot understand why any parent would jeopardise the future of their own kids, by schlepping around Spain for what is in most cases no more than a few years, if they last that long........pissing the money earned up the wall, unlike the S. AMs that spend any spare money home. Load of Spanish, Italians etc left home to work in UK and other countries, but when they went back home, they were RICHER and could give the whole family a legup, not like the Brits who more often than not go home POORER after their little jaunt to Spain. What kind of head of the household would do that? When a country has low employment it is obvious that people from other countries trying to take what little work is available would cause unrest with the people who are struggling to make ends meet. Coming to Spain with a family for a guaranteed job is one thing but moving a family and simply "hoping" to gain work is irresponsible. A few years ago it was possibly much easier to take a chance but not in the present economic climate. Rosemary |
Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by agoreira
(Post 9904991)
No fear of getting my back up, you're right, you'll always get the type that comes on these forums, asks for advice, and then because it's not what they want to hear, ignore it and move to Spain anyway. Someone will tell them to ignore the feedback, come on over, I've found work. Generally it will be crappy low paid driving/cleaning jobs/bar work etc. Most then end up as "bottom feeders" as you describe them, scratching enough to pay for their booze and fags. No wonder the Spanish laugh at them. All the Spanish I know here in UK have excellent, well paid jobs, thankfully they can see that the "bottom feeders" that end up in Spain are not typical of the people of UK.
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Re: Moving to Marbella - Adivce Needed
Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9904921)
At the risk of getting everyones back up, we dont need anymore "bottom feeders"...........we have enough of our own and imported ones from poorer countries scraping around for any old thing to earn a crust.
If you could hear the Spanish talking amongst themselves, which is physically impossible if you are not Spanish BTW.....you would see, that we understand the people from poorer countries coming here to keep body and soul together, usually sending money home to thier own countires. In fact they earn the respect of the locals, they are doing the right thing for the right reason, like the Spanish who emigrated did. What they do find incredible, and even offesive are the "bottom feeders" from richer countries, where the people are doing their bumming, scamming, scraping, crap jobs, not to give the family an advantage, but because they want to be in the sun/cheap fags and booze/and who mainly dont give a toss about what their kids will do for a living. As I asked before,what are they really expecting their children to do for a living? That is if they have even considered that aspect of "living their dream". Welcome to the retired and early retired, it give us pleasure to know that they choses Spain to live, without screwing Spain in the process. They may not be rich, but live a life of dignity, enjoying their life,good on them.....it is great what they are doing. Asit has been said often Spanish people are big on families and they cannot understand why any parent would jeopardise the future of their own kids, by schlepping around Spain for what is in most cases no more than a few years, if they last that long........pissing the money earned up the wall, unlike the S. AMs that spend any spare money home. Load of Spanish, Italians etc left home to work in UK and other countries, but when they went back home, they were RICHER and could give the whole family a legup, not like the Brits who more often than not go home POORER after their little jaunt to Spain. What kind of head of the household would do that? Your spanish nationality makes no difference to the validity of your knowledge. It's very clear to even a blind man, the spanish spend endless hours, talking complete carp amongst themselves. BTW, there's a huge mass of Spanish out there that have no interest in working, because they can make it easier on the black market or selling drugs, etc. Let's face it, my OH as a Funcionario is at the rock face and gets a very good feel for what really is going on and not the rantings of the clueless. Anyway, I'm not even going to attempt to educate the ignorant amongst us, but the following FACT should be of interest to everyone posting on here. The Policia Local in Las Palmas de Gran Canaria (pop about 500,000) are trying to fill 71 positions. One might think with such high unemployment, that would be an easy task. Sadly not. They could only pass 30 people, as the rest were too IGNORANT, UNEDUCATED AND STUPID to pass a spelling test. These are probably the same people with whom our token spanish poster on BE spends his time talking to, lol. |
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