"Massacre in the Alps"
 

http://live-blog.uk.msn.com/Event/Massacre_in_the_Alps

Seems to be a nasty business, possibly involving Brits ?

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A four yr old girl just been found alive after lying undiscovered underneath three dead bodies for eight hours in the car.

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That's absolutely shocking, the police nowadays seem to concentrate on preserving a scene for forensic examination, to the detriment of preserving life which should be their main priority.

How can you not notice a child under two bodies in the back seat of the car? You've got to move the bodies somewhat to make sure they really are dead, surely.

It makes you wonder how many times an area has been taped off to wait for the forensic people while people inside are still alive.

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Sounds a terrible situation, they are indicating its some Brits on holiday, but the facts are sketchy, it's really shocking and sad, there's crime everywhere.

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There was a case in the UK some time ago where a car in a ditch was labelled with a 'Police Aware' sticker. When the grua came to take it away some days later they discovered that it contained a body.

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Quite a lot of speculation on the BBC that the cyclist may have been shot because he was an unfortunate witness.
Also that possibly the Mother laid over the child to try and protect her.
According to the report,the police left the car sealed up without even checking the dead bodies at all, so whose to say they were all dead when first discovered ?

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and.....heaven forbid, but it does happen....

who died first, husband or wife.?
some wills and insurance policies are very pernickety over this

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or died when they could have been saved.

emergency services isnt a nice job, I know we knock the police etc for speeding fines and so on, but the initial investigation and the inspection of the vehicle(s) as well as the clear up isnt a job everyone wants.
for that they deserve every penny they get, and more.

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Makes you wonder if there isn't some vendetta or politics behind this?

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime...n-8112462.html

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Possibly - but from the same article

Whatever - it is a horrible incident.

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Word going around elsewhere that the murdered driver was a well known drugs baron.

Looks a bit like a planned hit with an automatic weapon.

The car engine was still running when the cops got there.

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I've just watched an hour of the live press conference given by the French police. Amazingly, the senior officers still insist that their main task at the scene is the preservation of forensic evidence, and they had to wait for the scientists to arrive from Paris, many hours drive away.

I don't know the French system, but I'm sure it's the same as the UK's and the rest of the world's, the first objective is to preserve life, and if that disturbs forensic evidence then it's just too bad.

Mind you, the rest of the revelations are intriguing. An Iraqi born man with a Swedish wife and mother-in-law, living in posh Claygate in Surrey. 15 shots fired at the car from the outside with each adult shot neatly in the head, and a witness, a passing cyclist also shot at the scene; a posse of Special Brach officers searching the house in the UK . . .

It's like reading John Le Carre.

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indicates the shooter(s) got up close, so cannot see why 15 shots fired, and how did they miss the daughter.?

oh where is Jethro..........

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Possible clue. Apparently the shooter made no attempt to recover the ejected casings from the murder weapon, and left them all around before fleeing.

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The latest count is twenty shots.
May have been a professional hit, but there again not so very professional.
There's been mention on the news that they think the 4yr old was hiding under her Mothers skirt, but the injured one outside the car seems a mystery unless the guy ran out of ammo to kill her and tried to batter her to death.

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such a mess won't look so good on the CV if it was a professional

even if someone else loaded the gun there will probably be prints on all those ejected casings

how many guns hold that many bullets (other than sub-machine) ?
it must have been heavy to hold fully loaded.

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Glock 17 can hold 17 rounds

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According to Sky News and BBC there may be family financial dispute involved.
The info came from the French police force who had been tipped off by the British police.
If so there must have been some serious money involved to go to such extremes.

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well that sounds a bit like the old Cosa Nostra attitude - kill all the family, prevents anyone coming back for revenge.

but whatever it was, it was a very messy operation, probably more than 1 person for all those casings. and someone had to know they would be there at that time, although better to have done it at a villa or similar, not in public.

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a lot of speculation in the media about an inheritance dispute in the family.
Property in France, Switzerland, Spain and Iraq are said to be at the centre of the dispute...

Here we go...

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ALL four victims of the French Alps massacre were shot twice in the head in a military-style execution, French prosecutors disclosed yesterday.

They suffered what the SAS call a “double tap”, suggesting the British Al-Hilli family and a cyclist died at the hands of a killer or killers with an army background.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/...tim-shot-twice

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It sounds like a state sponsored assassination, not very well executed, with the perpetrators either back home or hiding in their embassy until it's safer to travel home. One witness did say that he saw a man of Arab appearance driving madly away from the scene of the shooting.

I saw on the news that some 60 people were killed in Iraq only yesterday.

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The plot thickens.

Houses around the family home evacuated.

Armed police and the Bomb Squad on site ! :eek:

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It doesnt.
IMO its all about the money.
i.e. the inheritance.

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Doubt if it's that simple IMHO after what's gone off this morning.

Also mention of a strong shed in the back garden fitted with all manner of hi tech security devices and a hi power cable running into it.
He did ask the neighbour to keep an eye on the back of the house.
Maybe he's been printing his own money in there or storing Semtex ready for the revolution ? :eek:

The mind boggles.:unsure:

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Much ado about nothing.
No hazardous substances found according to the latest report.

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Maybe the French Central Directorate of Interior Intelligence bumped off the cyclist because of what he knew of their dodgy deals with Arab states and used a http://unblinkingeye.com/Guns/F1935S/f1935s.html (UK press say it was a 7.65 caliber pistol) , Family witnessed it and had to be silenced.
Or maybe the Frenchie and the Arab were having a dodgy meeting with Iranians and ...............endless possibilities.

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well the Radio 4 3pm news says that they have found nothing suspicious so forget that part of the conspiracy theory

inheritance, ineritance, inheritance
who profits from the death of these 3 people ?

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I wonder if the conspiracy theory nutters have started on this one yet?

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About an hour after it was announced;)

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...#ixzz26icKulTo

It is the DM so maybe a pinch of salt required, but who knows ?

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Both working on research projects, nuclear and space delivery systems, don't detectives say there's no such thing as coincidence ? :confused:

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there was a book written in IIRC 1980's or 90's about a high number of suicides of people in the computing and secret squirrel communications fields
(I had a copy somewhere but can't find it since we moved to Spain)
cases where happy married men suddenly drove to the other side of the country and killed themselves for no reason, and no suicide note. Also one or two have fallen from great heights or driven off cliffs.

I personally have come across a few people in those fields who have not been quite "right", although actually brilliant at what they did, turning to alcohol in a serious way.

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I suppose the best example is the guy found in the body bag in Pimlico - he worked for GCHQ. Highly suspicious death, but I suspect we'll never find out the truth about what really happened..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Gareth_Williams

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that says
Gareth Williams, an employee of GCHQ seconded to the Secret Intelligence Service (SIS or MI6), was found dead in suspicious circumstances at a Security Services safe house flat in Pimlico, London, on 23 August 2010

ISTR that GCHQ has had a higher incidence of deaths than an organisation of similar size....
however, the nature of the work, the high levels of security, continually being watched and investigated, the constant pressures are not something the average person would be prepared to accept. Although these are not "average persons". They are generally highly strung and working on a knife edge for alot of the time.
In this case there is no suicide note, its almost as if the clean-up squad forgot to remove the bag.

In the case of Alan Turin it was his homosexuality that lead to him succombing to the pressures that existed at that time and until fairly recently. Perhaps behind closed doors they still do exist. Perhaps he was helped to commit suicide.

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The plot thickens.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...-massacre.html

Enough theories for half a dozen conspiracy stories.

They're certainly not short on imagination at the DM or could there even be a grain or two of truth in it ?

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I thought the official line was that the cyclist was actually the target going on forensics and the little girls testimony and the family just stumbled on the shooting. Who knows eh?