Licencia de obra
Sep 1st 2008, 2:47 pm
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Licencia de obra
After reading an article on Friday about town halls in Spain losing a considerable part of their income due to the reduced amount of building work, lo and behold today when leaving our house to go shopping two local policia were checking completed outside work on casas against a list that they had. Having never seen this before, I can only presume that they have been instructed to increase the revenue wherever possible. We are having our house painted in the next few weeks so it looks like another trip to the town hall.
I suppose I better not park by the side of yellow curbs anymore too.
Graham.
I suppose I better not park by the side of yellow curbs anymore too.
Graham.
Sep 1st 2008, 3:23 pm
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Re: Licencia de obra
Yes, they will be desperate to replace the building licence income with something else.
One little ploy that some councils have come up with is to check back on older building licences and review the actual, rather than estimated costs involved.
It is quite normal when applying for a building licence to use the absolute minimum projected cost and pay the building licence on this basis.
What the cleverer town halls are now doing is to ask you to provide evidence of what it actually cost you to carry out the build and retrospectively charge you the difference between the estimate and the actual.
In many cases the estimate that you can get away with when applying for the licence can be as much as 25% of the final cost.
I speak from personal experience of this.
One little ploy that some councils have come up with is to check back on older building licences and review the actual, rather than estimated costs involved.
It is quite normal when applying for a building licence to use the absolute minimum projected cost and pay the building licence on this basis.
What the cleverer town halls are now doing is to ask you to provide evidence of what it actually cost you to carry out the build and retrospectively charge you the difference between the estimate and the actual.
In many cases the estimate that you can get away with when applying for the licence can be as much as 25% of the final cost.
I speak from personal experience of this.
Sep 1st 2008, 3:29 pm
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Re: Licencia de obra
Yes, they will be desperate to replace the building licence income with something else.
One little ploy that some councils have come up with is to check back on older building licences and review the actual, rather than estimated costs involved.
It is quite normal when applying for a building licence to use the absolute minimum projected cost and pay the building licence on this basis.
What the cleverer town halls are now doing is to ask you to provide evidence of what it actually cost you to carry out the build and retrospectively charge you the difference between the estimate and the actual.
In many cases the estimate that you can get away with when applying for the licence can be as much as 25% of the final cost.
I speak from personal experience of this.
One little ploy that some councils have come up with is to check back on older building licences and review the actual, rather than estimated costs involved.
It is quite normal when applying for a building licence to use the absolute minimum projected cost and pay the building licence on this basis.
What the cleverer town halls are now doing is to ask you to provide evidence of what it actually cost you to carry out the build and retrospectively charge you the difference between the estimate and the actual.
In many cases the estimate that you can get away with when applying for the licence can be as much as 25% of the final cost.
I speak from personal experience of this.
Whereas the architects I use, regularly quote anywhere from 30 to 50% less. That is, the estimate turns out to be half the final cost (or should that be 100% less?).
Sep 1st 2008, 3:43 pm
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Re: Licencia de obra
Yes, they will be desperate to replace the building licence income with something else.
One little ploy that some councils have come up with is to check back on older building licences and review the actual, rather than estimated costs involved.
It is quite normal when applying for a building licence to use the absolute minimum projected cost and pay the building licence on this basis.
What the cleverer town halls are now doing is to ask you to provide evidence of what it actually cost you to carry out the build and retrospectively charge you the difference between the estimate and the actual.
In many cases the estimate that you can get away with when applying for the licence can be as much as 25% of the final cost.
I speak from personal experience of this.
One little ploy that some councils have come up with is to check back on older building licences and review the actual, rather than estimated costs involved.
It is quite normal when applying for a building licence to use the absolute minimum projected cost and pay the building licence on this basis.
What the cleverer town halls are now doing is to ask you to provide evidence of what it actually cost you to carry out the build and retrospectively charge you the difference between the estimate and the actual.
In many cases the estimate that you can get away with when applying for the licence can be as much as 25% of the final cost.
I speak from personal experience of this.
Sep 1st 2008, 4:17 pm
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Re: Licencia de obra
Sounds like you have all been unlucky, we live in the campo and only paid 300euro to the ayuntameinto to completly restore a 4 bedroom house,a few white lies were told!!!!
it taken a year to do and Ive never seen one official ever,guess I was very lucky,this was four years ago
Rgds
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it taken a year to do and Ive never seen one official ever,guess I was very lucky,this was four years agoRgds
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Sep 1st 2008, 5:10 pm
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Re: Licencia de obra
After reading an article on Friday about town halls in Spain losing a considerable part of their income due to the reduced amount of building work, lo and behold today when leaving our house to go shopping two local policia were checking completed outside work on casas against a list that they had. Having never seen this before, I can only presume that they have been instructed to increase the revenue wherever possible. We are having our house painted in the next few weeks so it looks like another trip to the town hall.
I suppose I better not park by the side of yellow curbs anymore too.
Graham.
I suppose I better not park by the side of yellow curbs anymore too.
Graham.
Sep 1st 2008, 5:13 pm
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Sep 1st 2008, 5:25 pm
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Re: Licencia de obra
When our project was submitted to the College of Architects in Huelva it was accompanied by an A4 boook of estimates prepared by quantity surveyor on behalf of the Architect. This was extremely detailed and included all the elements of the build. This figure was then used for all sorts of fees including the BL and monies paid for each one. I just hope they don't decide the QS was incompetant and come back for more.
We had a similar book of estimates which were adhered to throughout the build, however the figure put on the application for the building licence was 25% of the builder's estimate. This was completely acceptable and approved by the College of Architects and also conformed to the minimum figures laid down by the town hall. Needless to say the architects fees were based on the actual project cost.
You have to remember that at the point of applying for a licence you probably
have not actually had any proper estimates apart from the architect's estimate - you may not even have bought the land at this stage. The figure that he puts on the licence application will be the lowest possible, intended to save you money on the licence and may bear no relationship to the actual project cost.
If you paid for the licence on the basis of the true building cost then that is unusual but at least they cannot come back for more!
Sep 1st 2008, 5:31 pm
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Re: Licencia de obra
Also here in Albunol you are supposed to get a licence for any work inside and out, think that is why a lot of hpuses here are in need of a repaint
Sep 1st 2008, 6:25 pm
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It's not a question of incompetence.
We had a similar book of estimates which were adhered to throughout the build, however the figure put on the application for the building licence was 25% of the builder's estimate. This was completely acceptable and approved by the College of Architects and also conformed to the minimum figures laid down by the town hall. Needless to say the architects fees were based on the actual project cost.
You have to remember that at the point of applying for a licence you probably
have not actually had any proper estimates apart from the architect's estimate - you may not even have bought the land at this stage. The figure that he puts on the licence application will be the lowest possible, intended to save you money on the licence and may bear no relationship to the actual project cost.
If you paid for the licence on the basis of the true building cost then that is unusual but at least they cannot come back for more!
We had a similar book of estimates which were adhered to throughout the build, however the figure put on the application for the building licence was 25% of the builder's estimate. This was completely acceptable and approved by the College of Architects and also conformed to the minimum figures laid down by the town hall. Needless to say the architects fees were based on the actual project cost.
You have to remember that at the point of applying for a licence you probably
have not actually had any proper estimates apart from the architect's estimate - you may not even have bought the land at this stage. The figure that he puts on the licence application will be the lowest possible, intended to save you money on the licence and may bear no relationship to the actual project cost.
If you paid for the licence on the basis of the true building cost then that is unusual but at least they cannot come back for more!
Sep 1st 2008, 7:33 pm
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