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spain Apr 12th 2007 6:35 pm

Re: Is it just where i live?!
 

Originally Posted by crispygirl (Post 4633657)
Hi featherbum

I think it is a sad fact of life that so many area's in the UK (also world wide) are like that, between leaving my EX and moving in with OH I lived for a couple of years in Erith borders of London/Kent and I had things thrown at me on more than one occasion when arriving at Erith Station, had bottles, stone and all sorts thrown and verbal abuse. Trouble with me is I can't keep the mouth shut and I have to make some comment, I don't shout or scream but I do have to make that finger gesture or sarcastic comment. At least here in Chiclana I don't have that, I have never seen youngster causing this sort of trouble. I often wander what parents would think if they knew their sprogs were doing this sort of thing.

well off topic I know but I used to work in Erith - lived in Dartford for 10 years before moving to Spain

SUCH a small world

:)

Rosemary Apr 12th 2007 9:19 pm

Re: Is it just where i live?!
 

Originally Posted by derbyflan (Post 4634468)
See my post at:http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=439331&page=4

I know it's not a real threat to my well being as such, but its violence/vandalism all the same.

I guess that I'm not ready to accept the hug-a-hoodie mentality though. Maybe that's my fault or my ignorance I don't know.

I don't know what would've become of me if I hadn't joined the Forces at 16, but I can't ever imagine I'd have grown up being violent and abusive to all and sundry. All the fights I've ever had have at least been 'fair'.

Someone said that Bullies are the Bullied and I can see at least to some extent how that works. But.... and call me old fashioned... I still firmly believe that there is a place for corporal and capital punishment in the UK.

I'll now standby and await your wrath;)

No wrath DF.

It all starts when they are quite tiny children if the parents fail to put in the boundaries and have sensible routines. So the lack of care and lack of rules begins and continues until these kids are out of control.

By going into the services you were entering a world that is based on rules and routine so you had a healthy environment in which to grow and mature, good on you.

I am not into punishment but favour rewards and have found that parents who raise their children with hitting end up with kids who hit out at society whereas parents who praise and reward have more rounded kids.

Hug a hoodie - no. Change a hoodie - difficult. Changing parenting so that the hoodie does not come about is the best method.

Rosemary

featherbum Apr 12th 2007 9:45 pm

Re: Is it just where i live?!
 
Thanks for all your replies, i was so angry and sad when i got home yesterday that i wanted to see what others thought.

What i REALLY dont understand is why these people behave like this, how they have SO much anger inside them!? Like some of you said it must be their upbringing... how very sad.

I was brought up to respect not only my elders but everyone around me! And thats, to me, the only normal way to be and bahave!


I just find it so SAD what the world is coming to :( and i dont mean to sound dramatic.

I started this post as i was wondering if this kind of behavoiur happens in Spain too, as havent lived there for a while and was wondering if i had a case of 'grass in greener' etc. I just know that i never ever saw this stuff happen while i was there, nor when i go home on hols.

I need to pop into town again now, damn it. I need to get myself some body armour. :mad:

Rosemary Apr 12th 2007 9:56 pm

Re: Is it just where i live?!
 

Originally Posted by featherbum (Post 4636304)
Thanks for all your replies, i was so angry and sad when i got home yesterday that i wanted to see what others thought.

What i REALLY dont understand is why these people behave like this, how they have SO much anger inside them!? Like some of you said it must be their upbringing... how very sad.

I was brought up to respect not only my elders but everyone around me! And thats, to me, the only normal way to be and bahave!


I just find it so SAD what the world is coming to :( and i dont mean to sound dramatic.

I started this post as i was wondering if this kind of behavoiur happens in Spain too, as havent lived there for a while and was wondering if i had a case of 'grass in greener' etc. I just know that i never ever saw this stuff happen while i was there, nor when i go home on hols.

I need to pop into town again now, damn it. I need to get myself some body armour. :mad:

Featherbum when you say 'I was brought up to respect not only my elders but everyone around me! And thats, to me, the only normal way to be and bahave!' you have hit the nail on the head.


That is what is lacking for many kids in the UK and I believe that the Spanish still maintain what many view as an old fashioned method of parenting and that is why I do not feel uncomfortable walking towards a 'gang' of Spanish teenagers of an evening.

Rosemary

TheArmChairDetective Apr 12th 2007 10:10 pm

Re: Is it just where i live?!
 

Originally Posted by mrsjdr (Post 4634183)
On a recent trip back to UK I was shocked at the behavior of gangs of young kids in the town on a Saturday afternoon, one group were in a shop running up the going down escalators knocking people out of the way, running through the womans cloths department throwing items of clothing about, no one did anything to stop them. There were large groups of rowdy teenagers everywhere, I felt quite intimidated.

This happens because we have had a unique training system for some time in the UK called Hypermarkets and shopping malls. When you need to do your weekly food shopping you take your children with you. At the commencement of shopping you address your child flinging your arm out widely on a horizontal plain and say, "Play around here until I call you on your mobile. I will meet you back here. Do not talk to strangers or go past the big doors" Your child will then use the area as a playground.

This is not an accident, the marketing people of UK.PLC realised this gap in the market and, with no external playgrounds for kids, and invented the shop and play culture !! :D

mikelincs Apr 12th 2007 10:20 pm

Re: Is it just where i live?!
 

Originally Posted by featherbum (Post 4633562)
Went to the Pigtown (swindon/swinedown) town centre today.
Half term...
Teenage chav walking in front of me... looked like a criminal in the making.

Anyway 2 young girls are shopping and the chav jumped in front of them to simply shout at them and scared them, they ran off.
He then THREW the bottle he was drinking out of to (or is it at?? never leart those well) another girl, hitting her on the head. She screamed in pain and ran off.

I actually felt sad:(

and angry :curse:

but then if you go up to them and say anything its likely he will punch you or something!

Do you see stuff like this happen where you guys live? Just wondering if have a case of the rose tinted spectacles..... :blink:
I never saw this kind of stuff where i lived in Spain... and after this event i had the worst case of homesickness all afternoon :(


Never seen anything like that over here, but before we came over here, my wife, before we were married was mugged, luckily they didn't get anything as someone came along and they ran off. Yes it happens over here, but not to the same extent. We have quite a lot of young people aroung here, and even if they are in a group together we never feel threatened buy them, in the UK would have crossed the road to keep out of their way.


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