Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 10425570)

No doubt this is a tragedy. It just is... Period. There is simply no arguing that point.

But the investigation isn't over yet, and it's much too easy to just blame a few pranksters who were only conducting a stupid prank, which, in this case, if the tragic events that followed hadn't taken place, many of us would have found to be just another amusing embarrassment for the hospital or the Royals... I don't think anyone could have predicted this outcome.

Certainly you can argue this prank was unnecessary, but at this point, I have to suspect that this woman had other problems which contributed in a major way to this tragedy. I for one, find it terribly hard to believe that someone in a stable mental condition would be inclined to take their own life over this stupid incident without significant other factors being involved.

Yet, here we are en masse - quickly laying blame for a tragedy that virtually nobody would ever have guessed could be the result of a stupid prank (just read the foregone conclusion in the title of this thread).

But we like blame. We have been raised to believe everything is someone else's fault (or that someone is at fault for everything). It's conveniently become a basic expectation of our culture. We rarely take the time to think rationally about those things which we find deplorable, nor realise that WE are often the very cause of what we object to.

It is a tragedy. For everyone involved. But who is really at fault here? Or is this just another of life's tragedies that we can't honestly blame on anyone?

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10425606)

we have a person who was living in nurses accommodation in London whilst also having a home with family in Bristol.
perhaps the strains put onto certain workers within the NHS, including working hours, have an element to play.

I read in an news article that the hospital only had receptionists to answer incoming calls during working hours, out of the 9-5 or similar then it was left to nurses on shift - who are also reduced in numbers "out of hours", in a 24/7/365 "service".

There may be more things that will come out as time goes by.
But I would imagine the hospital management are diving for cover.
:(

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Originally Posted by amideislas (Post 10426010)

You've apparently never lived in Germany.

Precious few things happen in Germany that aren't somebody's fault, somebody gets blamed for, and is ordered to pay damages. The German blame culture is rife. Along with jealousy and a number of other undesirable neighbourly character traits.

The Spanish seem to prefer to avoid lawyers and courts at all costs. For good reason. Once you file a denuncia, things can become very complicated and expensive...

Originally Posted by Rambling Rose (Post 10427311)

Yes thats how I see it. It appears they only telephoned the poor womans family no-one even bothered to go and see them. Ok so they are in Bristol but so what its the least they could have done.
Now they've set up some sort of charity fund in her name. Pathetic.

Originally Posted by Pocaloca (Post 10427909)

So she left a suicide note explaining her reasons. I wonder if we'll ever know what was in it?

Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield (Post 10428788)

I really don't understand some of you - how can people be putting the blame on this poor woman - she was just doing her job and apparently she was very good at it - she is now dead due to two knobheads and a knobhead radio station having a so called laugh - the pressure that woman was obviously put under was enough to take her own life - it's really funny innit - all in the name of entertainment - well done those people who contributed to her death - I hope they are all proud of themselves - perhaps they could put it on their CVs to get higher up the career ladder - who gives a shit about the little people at the bottom eh as long as rating are high - shame on them all :-( x

Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10429166)

ratings are based on the number of little people who scrabble to listen to their crap

Its all very well the MIL saying how consciencious Indians are and the family in particular, the reason(s) for her death are being investigated and it is all a matter of conjecture. No matter, it is not easy for the normal human to actually commit suicide. Most suicides are cries for help and do not intend to actually die.
But this is now Trial by Media of others who may be unstable.

so Sam, calm down, were you the same when Brand & Woss were being castigated and the BBC was in bad odure (again) ? ?

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Originally Posted by Sam Greenfield (Post 10430230)

Sorry chuck not sure who Brand and Woss are ?????

I just feel that if they hadn't done the prank she would still be alive :-( xxxxx

Originally Posted by Zen10 (Post 10430238)

True enough, but there are many steps in between the prank and the suicide, including why the hospital and royals left a nurse to handle the call, why the hospital didn't give proper support afterwards and how severe a reprimand she got from the hospital/royals afterwards.