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#46
Well you've picked out just the last bio out of the four people who run that website, there is also a lawyer, administrator, and an insurance broker.
In any case, here's another website of a group who are highlighting how the 2018 law isn't being properly applied in regions. The English PDF link takes you to a summary with a map on the last page highlighting how different each region is.
In any case, here's another website of a group who are highlighting how the 2018 law isn't being properly applied in regions. The English PDF link takes you to a summary with a map on the last page highlighting how different each region is.
Digging into the privacy policy reviles more.
The second one is even less handy for anyone accessing this forum to obtain free health care.
https://yosisanidaduniversal.net/quienes-somos
Reading the website. It is really aimed at migrates*
The official pages about health care are numerous
Maybe this one is a good one to start with.
https://sede.seg-social.gob.es/wps/p...%2520sanitaria
This one also. It explains when free health care maybe accessed.
https://www.mites.gob.es/es/guia/tex...ia_14_29_1.htm
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yes unfortunately that is the case for those getting healthcare as a dependant. I knew someone in that situation they said they continued to get healthcare provided for a set amount of time I can't remember if it was 6 , 12 or 18 months. But after that time they have to sort out their own healthcare as you say. Many don't realise that if they are getting healthcare as a dependant once they reach relevant UK state pension age , they should obtain a new S1 in their own right.
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The second one is even less handy for anyone accessing this forum to obtain free health care.
https://yosisanidaduniversal.net/quienes-somos
Reading the website. It is really aimed at migrates*
https://yosisanidaduniversal.net/quienes-somos
Reading the website. It is really aimed at migrates*
The summary on the second website does show how successful you could be in obtaining healthcare in your region if you're classified by your region's healthcare as a temporary resident. I haven't spent time going over the rest of the website but they're a NGO which have spent many years campaigning over the 2012 and 2018 laws.
The official pages about health care are numerous
Maybe this one is a good one to start with.
https://sede.seg-social.gob.es/wps/p...%2520sanitaria
This one also. It explains when free health care maybe accessed.
https://www.mites.gob.es/es/guia/tex...ia_14_29_1.htm
Maybe this one is a good one to start with.
https://sede.seg-social.gob.es/wps/p...%2520sanitaria
This one also. It explains when free health care maybe accessed.
https://www.mites.gob.es/es/guia/tex...ia_14_29_1.htm
This alone tells me that it's difficult to get social security coverage just for being a permanent resident as firstly you'd need to be in one of those categories and secondly in the Spanish healthcare system somebody somewhere usually ends up footing the bill with their social security contributions.
For non-EU residents the term used is residencia de larga duración. As Britons are now non-EU citizens that indicates to me that the UK government advice is out of date because it is still talking about a term used exclusively for EU residents.
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So basically they're in the business of residency in the same way that Pellicer & Heredia, Citizens Advice Spain, and other similar websites linked to on this forum are. And the information I linked to seemed to be more thorough and "showed its working" whereas other similar websites, e.g. Pellicer & Heredia just said it could be done but didn't say how.
Migrants? An expat is simply a migrant that doesn't realise it yet.
The summary on the second website does show how successful you could be in obtaining healthcare in your region if you're classified by your region's healthcare as a temporary resident. I haven't spent time going over the rest of the website but they're a NGO which have spent many years campaigning over the 2012 and 2018 laws.
And yet none of those explain if you get free healthcare just for obtaining permanent residency as UK government advice claims. In fact, residencia de carácter permanente is only a term used for EU residents and if you're an EU resident you should be working/registered unemployed, freelance, studying, have a regular income as pensioners do, or be a dependent of someone who is.
This alone tells me that it's difficult to get social security coverage just for being a permanent resident as firstly you'd need to be in one of those categories and secondly in the Spanish healthcare system somebody somewhere usually ends up footing the bill with their social security contributions.
For non-EU residents the term used is residencia de larga duración. As Britons are now non-EU citizens that indicates to me that the UK government advice is out of date because it is still talking about a term used exclusively for EU residents.
Migrants? An expat is simply a migrant that doesn't realise it yet.
The summary on the second website does show how successful you could be in obtaining healthcare in your region if you're classified by your region's healthcare as a temporary resident. I haven't spent time going over the rest of the website but they're a NGO which have spent many years campaigning over the 2012 and 2018 laws.
And yet none of those explain if you get free healthcare just for obtaining permanent residency as UK government advice claims. In fact, residencia de carácter permanente is only a term used for EU residents and if you're an EU resident you should be working/registered unemployed, freelance, studying, have a regular income as pensioners do, or be a dependent of someone who is.
This alone tells me that it's difficult to get social security coverage just for being a permanent resident as firstly you'd need to be in one of those categories and secondly in the Spanish healthcare system somebody somewhere usually ends up footing the bill with their social security contributions.
For non-EU residents the term used is residencia de larga duración. As Britons are now non-EU citizens that indicates to me that the UK government advice is out of date because it is still talking about a term used exclusively for EU residents.
#50
I actually typed migrants*. The use of the asterisks for there are other words. Just like if I typed he is world famous* with his out dated views. There other word one can slide into the same place.
The links given are good examples of how Brits who are now wanting to live in Spain are treated very differently. That is down to the divorce*
Having an Irish passport may allow a person to live much easier in the EU. The added complication for Pollyana's friend is they paid into a health system that is no longer part of the EU.
The links given are good examples of how Brits who are now wanting to live in Spain are treated very differently. That is down to the divorce*
Having an Irish passport may allow a person to live much easier in the EU. The added complication for Pollyana's friend is they paid into a health system that is no longer part of the EU.
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Im confused why he gave up private cover.
The convenio is ok with regard to being in the system but at 60 he will still have to pay for all medications, just like we do..And as he must be now...
The biggest issue with the convenio is between the ages of 65 and 67 the cost is around €157 a month...
Whereby Im still in the private system and pay €70 a month and once we change to ASSSA later in the year we will pay slightly more and the premiums never raise.
At 67 I will get the S1 and then my healthcare costs will be someone else's..
The convenio is ok with regard to being in the system but at 60 he will still have to pay for all medications, just like we do..And as he must be now...
The biggest issue with the convenio is between the ages of 65 and 67 the cost is around €157 a month...
Whereby Im still in the private system and pay €70 a month and once we change to ASSSA later in the year we will pay slightly more and the premiums never raise.
At 67 I will get the S1 and then my healthcare costs will be someone else's..
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As someone moving here you still had to have private, pay convenio, work and pay into the system or be retired with an S1..
Nothing has changed.......
Or has it????
I moved before Brexit and all of the above were in place and had been for years.
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But you never got any benefit before when the Uk was still part of the Eu...
As someone moving here you still had to have private, pay convenio, work and pay into the system or be retired with an S1..
Nothing has changed.......
Or has it????
I moved before Brexit and all of the above were in place and had been for years.
As someone moving here you still had to have private, pay convenio, work and pay into the system or be retired with an S1..
Nothing has changed.......
Or has it????
I moved before Brexit and all of the above were in place and had been for years.
I was writing about having an Irish passport and then getting the UK government to support a claim for health care in Spain. I know what difficulties some civil servants can put up to ensure you have a difficult time of it. In my case it was for matters not related to health care. In fact that was the smoothest of all. It took just 5 mins and both the wife and I had joined the Galician health system.
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Im confused why he gave up private cover.
The convenio is ok with regard to being in the system but at 60 he will still have to pay for all medications, just like we do..And as he must be now...
The biggest issue with the convenio is between the ages of 65 and 67 the cost is around €157 a month...
Whereby Im still in the private system and pay €70 a month and once we change to ASSSA later in the year we will pay slightly more and the premiums never raise.
At 67 I will get the S1 and then my healthcare costs will be someone else's..
The convenio is ok with regard to being in the system but at 60 he will still have to pay for all medications, just like we do..And as he must be now...
The biggest issue with the convenio is between the ages of 65 and 67 the cost is around €157 a month...
Whereby Im still in the private system and pay €70 a month and once we change to ASSSA later in the year we will pay slightly more and the premiums never raise.
At 67 I will get the S1 and then my healthcare costs will be someone else's..
#58
€20 for a GP visit?. More like €60 and a specialist is about twice that. Some BP pills are cheap, but something equally as common, a blood thinner, is over €100. If you are not in the system, drugs can really escalate to being more than the cost of the Convenio or insurance.
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Some drugs are cheap, yep but others nope.
What about hospital treatment.
My hernia op would have cost me €4000 but I'm on private insurance and I pay €800 a year (OK over time I will pay but never as much as the total cost).
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€20 for a GP visit?. More like €60 and a specialist is about twice that. Some BP pills are cheap, but something equally as common, a blood thinner, is over €100. If you are not in the system, drugs can really escalate to being more than the cost of the Convenio or insurance.
Totally agree.
However the drugs still have to be paid for no matter what coverage you have.
I'm not of retirement age so have to pay 100% for any and all.. Plus there is a cost for the prescription to be written as well.
My wife has an inhaler that she used to get prescribed in the UK and paid the £8 here it's available over the counter but is €46 a time...




