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Jmplementation of EES Postponed Again
As had been widely predicted
Plan to fingerprint passengers on entry to EU to be delayed again | European Union | The Guardian An idea mentioned in this article (that passengers should be able to upload biometric data via an app or another secure method, away from airports or ports) seems sensible to me, better than risking chaos with massive queues. |
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 13279616)
As had been widely predicted
Plan to fingerprint passengers on entry to EU to be delayed again | European Union | The Guardian An idea mentioned in this article (that passengers should be able to upload biometric data via an app or another secure method, away from airports or ports) seems sensible to me, better than risking chaos with massive queues. |
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Poorly written headline, attention grabbing.
No delay has been officially announced and guardian is not EU body. However, EES might get delayed and if it does it will be probably to Jan 2025, just my guess. Ideas about app are nice, but who's going to write app, who's going to link it up to EES and by when? Another idea by people who dont have to implement it. |
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13279742)
Poorly written headline, attention grabbing.
No delay has been officially announced and guardian is not EU body. However, EES might get delayed and if it does it will be probably to Jan 2025, just my guess. Ideas about app are nice, but who's going to write app, who's going to link it up to EES and by when? Another idea by people who dont have to implement it. |
Re: Jmplementation of EES Postponed Again
France, Germany and Netherlands are all not ready yet.
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Originally Posted by UKMS
(Post 13279744)
it’s not just being reported by the guardian lots of EU news outlets have been reporting it over the last month. Out of interest what makes you say January ?
About January, well, there is zero chance switching EES in December. It will be complete disaster with christmas holidays. |
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Originally Posted by olivefarmer
(Post 13279784)
France, Germany and Netherlands are all not ready yet.
In Sep monthly EES meeting said nothing as such. We need to wait for meeting report that was held at beginning of Oct. It could be that info leaked from Oct EES meeting. |
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13279790)
Says who? It might be true, it might be false, who knows. For now, it is just rumor and gossip.
In Sep monthly EES meeting said nothing as such. We need to wait for meeting report that was held at beginning of Oct. It could be that info leaked from Oct EES meeting. |
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13279790)
Says who? It might be true, it might be false, who knows. For now, it is just rumor and gossip.
In Sep monthly EES meeting said nothing as such. We need to wait for meeting report that was held at beginning of Oct. It could be that info leaked from Oct EES meeting. |
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Originally Posted by DLC
(Post 13279811)
EU confirms it:
EU delays (again) new electronic system for border checks, floats phased-in approach |
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Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 13279816)
Well I never, so not just rumour and gossip at all. And not even a mention of January 2025.
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Re: Jmplementation of EES Postponed Again
Originally Posted by Lynn R
(Post 13279816)
Well I never, so not just rumour and gossip at all. And not even a mention of January 2025.
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Originally Posted by UKMS
(Post 13279796)
We don’t really need to wait for anything ….. it’s a forum we can quite well discuss the many media articles, some from reputable outlets. If you don’t like rumour and gossip then don’t speculate January and add to it 😂 . If it was a forum of facts only it would be quite boring.
I dont. When it comes to news, unless it quote reliable source, its just boring noise. In this case, guardian provided no source for their story, poor journalism from reputable newspaper. On contrary, FT and EuroNews delayed publishing story until they could quote official source. That is proper journalism, facts based. |
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13279854)
Well, it is your privilege to believe in gossips, fairy tales, pink elephants and so on. There is a reason tabloids sell.
I dont. When it comes to news, unless it quote reliable source, its just boring noise. In this case, guardian provided no source for their story, poor journalism from reputable newspaper. On contrary, FT and EuroNews delayed publishing story until they could quote official source. That is proper journalism, facts based. |
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None of this really matters to anyone on here because we are (mostly) exempt from EES and ETIAS.
EES has been delayed, not completely abandoned, so it's going to happen sooner or later to those who are affected by it. Meanwhile, third country nationals will have their passports stamped. |
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Originally Posted by Lou71
(Post 13279883)
None of this really matters to anyone on here because we are (mostly) exempt from EES and ETIAS.
EES has been delayed, not completely abandoned, so it's going to happen sooner or later to those who are affected by it. Meanwhile, third country nationals will have their passports stamped. |
Re: Jmplementation of EES Postponed Again
Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13279854)
its just boring noise.
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Originally Posted by DLC
(Post 13279858)
The Guardian a) isn't a tabloid and b) said they spoke to "EU diplomat sources" and c) got the possible future contingency plans right too. Seems pretty facts based to me.
I guess that is fact for some. |
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Originally Posted by UKMS
(Post 13279893)
Whilst you are exempt from EES it’s still of interest because how it’s physically implemented on the ground at various ports will have a direct impact on you passing through. For you as an EU citizen should be OK but for any UK citizens holding residency the logistics are still unclear and will no doubt differ port to port.
I don't know if you have passed through Malaga or Faro recently (they are very similar airports) but they have installed the EES scanners in a completely separate area before passport control. So I think we can assume it will be at that point third country nationals will be separated from EU nationals and EU residents who will simply walk to either a manual passport booth if they are resident/have a query or go through the EU passport gates if they are EU nationals. I've no idea what happens to third country nationals after they have used the EES scanners. Malaga have certainly been preparing for greater lane segregation between EU and non EU nationals so I don't think many people on here will be affected and/or delayed at passport control by non EU nationals clogging up the airport while waiting to use EES scanners. |
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Originally Posted by UKMS
(Post 13279894)
Well I know what is boring noise ….. and it wasn’t The Guardian 😉
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Originally Posted by Lou71
(Post 13279915)
Yes, I am an EU national but EU residents are also exempt from EES and ETIAS. I'm pretty sure EU residents will always have to go to a manual booth as will EU nationals with non EU partners.
I don't know if you have passed through Malaga or Faro recently (they are very similar airports) but they have installed the EES scanners in a completely separate area before passport control. So I think we can assume it will be at that point third country nationals will be separated from EU nationals and EU residents who will simply walk to either a manual passport booth if they are resident/have a query or go through the EU passport gates if they are EU nationals. I've no idea what happens to third country nationals after they have used the EES scanners. Malaga have certainly been preparing for greater lane segregation between EU and non EU nationals so I don't think many people on here will be affected and/or delayed at passport control by non EU nationals clogging up the airport while waiting to use EES scanners. |
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
(Post 13279935)
That is most childish comeback I read on these posts.
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Originally Posted by Lou71
(Post 13279915)
Yes, I am an EU national but EU residents are also exempt from EES and ETIAS. I'm pretty sure EU residents will always have to go to a manual booth as will EU nationals with non EU partners.
I don't know if you have passed through Malaga or Faro recently (they are very similar airports) but they have installed the EES scanners in a completely separate area before passport control. So I think we can assume it will be at that point third country nationals will be separated from EU nationals and EU residents who will simply walk to either a manual passport booth if they are resident/have a query or go through the EU passport gates if they are EU nationals. I've no idea what happens to third country nationals after they have used the EES scanners. Malaga have certainly been preparing for greater lane segregation between EU and non EU nationals so I don't think many people on here will be affected and/or delayed at passport control by non EU nationals clogging up the airport while waiting to use EES scanners. You have no idea how thankful I am that the launch is delayed again, I was dreading my flight on November 10th ! |
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 13279990)
I apologise in advance for the fact that I will be "clogging up airports" quite nicely, along with all the others who receive wheelchair assistance and at present don't need to stand up or walk anywhere to get our passports stamped, as the lovely staff do that for us. However we will cause quite a hold-up when we have to get out of wheelchairs, unfold walking sticks and then attempt to produce usable fingerprints from fingers crippled with arthritis. I know (as a former fingerprinter myself) that 5 of my fingers are too bent to give a decent set! Welcome to chaos!! Be interesting to see what contingency plans they have!
You have no idea how thankful I am that the launch is delayed again, I was dreading my flight on November 10th ! |
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Originally Posted by UKMS
(Post 13279999)
Usually in countries where fingerprints are taken and for medical reasons you cannot give them you can apply ahead of time for an exemption, I have previously read somewhere that this provision will be made with EES but cannot find anything official on it at the moment.
I've never had to give prints for immigration, though I tool many sets in a previous career, mostly to send to the FBI who were the pickiest people on earth! |
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Originally Posted by Pollyana
(Post 13279990)
I apologise in advance for the fact that I will be "clogging up airports" quite nicely, along with all the others who receive wheelchair assistance and at present don't need to stand up or walk anywhere to get our passports stamped, as the lovely staff do that for us. However we will cause quite a hold-up when we have to get out of wheelchairs, unfold walking sticks and then attempt to produce usable fingerprints from fingers crippled with arthritis. I know (as a former fingerprinter myself) that 5 of my fingers are too bent to give a decent set! Welcome to chaos!! Be interesting to see what contingency plans they have!
You have no idea how thankful I am that the launch is delayed again, I was dreading my flight on November 10th ! Re lane clogging, I think UKMS was concerned about being held up by what will be a very high volume of people queuing for EES scanners now that UK nationals will be subjected to it. I was trying to reassure them that I don't think the type of lane clogging that happened in the past few years will be a problem now that there is greater lane segregation. We used to have situations where EU nationals could not even reach the EU lane because too many people had spilled into it from the non EU lane and it was causing heated arguments. I don't think anyone wants that. If it was down to me personally, none of this would be an issue because you would not be needing to use EES - assuming you are British of course. |
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Originally Posted by Lou71
(Post 13280052)
If you are a wheelchair user, you are entitled to airport assistance by law. This means assistance throughout your journey and there is no way you would be left struggling with EES when it eventually goes live. Why don't you email Europe Direct outlining your personal situation and ask them what type of assistance you will receive and/or you can have an EES exemption? I'm sure there is plenty of help available because Malaga airport have a whole team of staff who assist people with various mobility issues throughout the airport. The vast majority of flights have people who need assistance.
Re lane clogging, I think UKMS was concerned about being held up by what will be a very high volume of people queuing for EES scanners now that UK nationals will be subjected to it. I was trying to reassure them that I don't think the type of lane clogging that happened in the past few years will be a problem now that there is greater lane segregation. We used to have situations where EU nationals could not even reach the EU lane because too many people had spilled into it from the non EU lane and it was causing heated arguments. I don't think anyone wants that. If it was down to me personally, none of this would be an issue because you would not be needing to use EES - assuming you are British of course. |
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Message from Uk Embassy Madrid:-
Yesterday, the European Union announced in a press conference that the Entry Exit System will not be launched as planned on 10 November 2024. A new launch date has not been announced, although it is expected to be within the next few months. Our advice remains to urgently exchange your Green Certificate for a Tarjeta de Identidad de Extranjero (TIE), if you have not already done so. According to guidance published on the Spanish Ministry of Inclusion’s website, those with a Green Certificate will not be considered exempt from EES and will therefore have to pass through the full registration process, not only in Spain but when entering other EU countries. The TIE is the best way to avoid disruption and difficulties at the border when EES comes into force. https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/e...1/16/1f517.png Start your TIE application here: https://www.interior.gob.es/.../oficinas-para-tramites.../ https://static.xx.fbcdn.net/images/e...1/16/1f517.png Stay up to date on EES here: https://travel-europe.europa.eu/ees_en |
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