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It's far better abroad
According to The Express anyway
About 15 per cent of those living overseas, or 825,000, have changed their mind about coming back in the past year, a survey found. And as many as 69 per cent have shelved plans to return at all – a 13 per cent increase in 12 months. Those abroad – an estimated 5.5 million – say their quality of life is better, finances healthier, living costs lower and neighbourhoods safer. |
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Yes, it's been in the Telegraph too. I think the sentiment has just changed a little after some recent news stories.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/p...o-Britain.html Gordon Maddock, a retired policeman living in AlmerÃa, Spain, said that he knew very few people who were returning to Britain from choice. “Some go for family, or financial reasons, but the majority of my friends prefer life where they are now… All we’ve seen about Britain recently has been very doom and gloom, and with things like the riots, there’s not really been any explanation offered. That makes people very paranoid about returning.†Mr Maddock said that something he had noticed in particular was that due to the tuition fees rise, many children of expats were cancelling plans to return home for university: “They're questioning why they would need to go back to Britain, as it’s so much cheaper to be educated abroad.†Overall, 68 per cent of expats surveyed said they were happier living away from Britain, with only seven per cent admitting they were less happy. |
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Of all the people I know living here in Spain, I would say there are 50-50 happy/unhappy but of course that is just a random selection.
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Well, for me the only reason I am living in the UK is because I married a British guy, otherwise I would have left years ago. I quite like the weather (believe it or not!) because I like the green, I like living in a house and having the countryside 5 minutes from my door, and I like my British friends and in-laws. There will be plenty of things and people I will miss. I will never get into the drinking competition, though: 2 pints or 2 glasses with food (I do need food if I'm going to drink) are enough for me, I don't need 8 and end up throwing up and on the floor to call the night off. The: "what a great night out we had, I cannot remember a thing" is not my cup of tea. I know that not everybody is like that, but many of my British friends in their 30s and early 40s are.
But, as per quality of life and crime, which is what really matters... I do prefer Spain and will be happy to go back next year. Of course there are good and bad places everywhere, but I have been lucky to live in good areas in both countries, and I know what I prefer. Youngsters in Spain are becoming just as selfish and stupid as they are here, but I'm still far from being scared by a group of 5 years old in a normal area. And believe me, sometimes I have been here! Also most of Spanish people would think there's something wrong in a system where families who have never worked can keep all their children and get bigger houses and benefits so they make their living out of having children and not bothering to educate them, whilst childless working young couples cannot get their own house. That really annoys me as a tax payer here. How many grandmas at 35 are there in the UK??? And then, when I needed help after being made redundant I found out that after all the tax I paid for 10 years I was only getting less than 65 pounds per week precisely because we have been responsible and had no kids??? I now pay my taxes with grinded teeth because I know where a big chunk of the money goes to. :frown: I like the UK, but I definitely don't like the system, it seems that it hands prizes to social parasites and screws the good people. It's okay needing help now and then when things go bad and you are normally contributing to the system because you are conscientious of social duties as well as social rights, I have been there. Just as it is fine to help people who simply cannot work and not by choice. But there are too many disgusting cases to be the exception. It's no mystery that the UK have the highest number of pregnant teenagers in the EU: they get a prize per kid without the responsibility of educating it, and the rest of the society gets an uneducated, violent kid that normally will do no good at all. In Spain I had to travel to another city to get my condoms when I was young, here you have had access to them for many generations... what has happened??? People simply do not want responsibilities and the consequences to their acts, and we all pay for their stupidity (or their cleverness, depending on how you see it). I don't think it's a matter of labour or conservative; it's just a matter of people being educated to what living in a society means and accepting their responsibilities. If they don't want to accept them, then simply use a condom, don't make everybody pay for it!!! That I definitely won't miss. I know we are beginning to suffer from the same thing in Spain, but hopefully it won't go as bad as it has gone here. |
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I would really like to walk around in flip-flops and a table cloth all day, treading the Malayan beaches, but have settled for Spain so the OH can be nearer to the family if needed. And I hate flying, not something man was made for. |
Re: It's far better abroad
Originally Posted by Nichola Battye
(Post 9693961)
Of all the people I know living here in Spain, I would say there are 50-50 happy/unhappy but of course that is just a random selection.
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has anyone on this forum been asked ? the local FCO cannot get people to register for postal vote letalone fill in such a questionnaire. probably asked 6 people and worked it out from there. such stupid statements should be qualified by the number of people polled. |
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Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9694070)
That I definitely won't miss. I know we are beginning to suffer from the same thing in Spain, but hopefully it won't go as bad as it has gone here.
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Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9694070)
I like the UK, but I definitely don't like the system, No reduction on IBI for instance for lone occupiers or unemployed or elderly (and no not everyone pays a few euros and lives in the campo). |
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Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 9694113)
I like Spain but I definitely dont like a regime that gives no help whatsoever to people of little means.
No reduction on IBI for instance for lone occupiers or unemployed or elderly (and no not everyone pays a few euros and lives in the campo). Graham |
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Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9694070)
Well, for me the only reason I am living in the UK is because I married a British guy, otherwise I would have left years ago. I quite like the weather (believe it or not!) because I like the green, I like living in a house and having the countryside 5 minutes from my door, and I like my British friends and in-laws. There will be plenty of things and people I will miss. I will never get into the drinking competition, though: 2 pints or 2 glasses with food (I do need food if I'm going to drink) are enough for me, I don't need 8 and end up throwing up and on the floor to call the night off. The: "what a great night out we had, I cannot remember a thing" is not my cup of tea. I know that not everybody is like that, but many of my British friends in their 30s and early 40s are.
But, as per quality of life and crime, which is what really matters... I do prefer Spain and will be happy to go back next year. Of course there are good and bad places everywhere, but I have been lucky to live in good areas in both countries, and I know what I prefer. Youngsters in Spain are becoming just as selfish and stupid as they are here, but I'm still far from being scared by a group of 5 years old in a normal area. And believe me, sometimes I have been here! Also most of Spanish people would think there's something wrong in a system where families who have never worked can keep all their children and get bigger houses and benefits so they make their living out of having children and not bothering to educate them, whilst childless working young couples cannot get their own house. That really annoys me as a tax payer here. How many grandmas at 35 are there in the UK??? And then, when I needed help after being made redundant I found out that after all the tax I paid for 10 years I was only getting less than 65 pounds per week precisely because we have been responsible and had no kids??? I now pay my taxes with grinded teeth because I know where a big chunk of the money goes to. :frown: I like the UK, but I definitely don't like the system, it seems that it hands prizes to social parasites and screws the good people. It's okay needing help now and then when things go bad and you are normally contributing to the system because you are conscientious of social duties as well as social rights, I have been there. Just as it is fine to help people who simply cannot work and not by choice. But there are too many disgusting cases to be the exception. It's no mystery that the UK have the highest number of pregnant teenagers in the EU: they get a prize per kid without the responsibility of educating it, and the rest of the society gets an uneducated, violent kid that normally will do no good at all. In Spain I had to travel to another city to get my condoms when I was young, here you have had access to them for many generations... what has happened??? People simply do not want responsibilities and the consequences to their acts, and we all pay for their stupidity (or their cleverness, depending on how you see it). I don't think it's a matter of labour or conservative; it's just a matter of people being educated to what living in a society means and accepting their responsibilities. If they don't want to accept them, then simply use a condom, don't make everybody pay for it!!! That I definitely won't miss. I know we are beginning to suffer from the same thing in Spain, but hopefully it won't go as bad as it has gone here. A thoughtful and intelligent post, I particularly liked the bit in red. I also agree about it not being the fault of either party. I think it is the failure of people to realise that with rights come responsibilities. Far too many people scream for the former who have no interest in complying with the latter. |
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Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9694070)
Well, for me the only reason I am living in the UK is because I married a British guy, otherwise I would have left years ago. I quite like the weather (believe it or not!) because I like the green, I like living in a house and having the countryside 5 minutes from my door, and I like my British friends and in-laws. There will be plenty of things and people I will miss. I will never get into the drinking competition, though: 2 pints or 2 glasses with food (I do need food if I'm going to drink) are enough for me, I don't need 8 and end up throwing up and on the floor to call the night off. The: "what a great night out we had, I cannot remember a thing" is not my cup of tea. I know that not everybody is like that, but many of my British friends in their 30s and early 40s are.
But, as per quality of life and crime, which is what really matters... I do prefer Spain and will be happy to go back next year. Of course there are good and bad places everywhere, but I have been lucky to live in good areas in both countries, and I know what I prefer. Youngsters in Spain are becoming just as selfish and stupid as they are here, Not all kids are selfish and stupid but I'm still far from being scared by a group of 5 years old in a normal area. And believe me, sometimes I have been here! Also most of Spanish people would think there's something wrong in a system where families who have never worked can keep all their children and get bigger houses and benefits so they make their living out of having children and not bothering to educate them, whilst childless working young couples cannot get their own house. Working parents are also penalised. That really annoys me as a tax payer here. How many grandmas AND grandpas at 35 are there in the UK??? And then, when I needed help after being made redundant I found out that after all the tax I paid for 10 years I was only getting less than 65 pounds per week precisely because we have been responsible and had no kids??? I now pay my taxes with grinded teeth because I know where a big chunk of the money goes to. :frown: I like the UK, but I definitely don't like the system, it seems that it hands prizes to social parasites and screws the good people. I did not like it either It's okay needing help now and then when things go bad and you are normally contributing to the system because you are conscientious of social duties as well as social rights, I have been there. Just as it is fine to help people who simply cannot work and not by choice. But there are too many disgusting cases to be the exception. It's no mystery that the UK have the highest number of pregnant teenagers in the EU: they get a prize per kid without the responsibility of educating it, and the rest of the society gets an uneducated, violent kid that normally will do no good at all. That is another rather sweeping statement In Spain I had to travel to another city to get my condoms when I was young, People can always abstain and need to use them here you have had access to them for many generations... what has happened??? People simply do not want responsibilities and the consequences to their acts, and we all pay for their stupidity (or their cleverness, depending on how you see it). I don't think it's a matter of labour or conservative; it's just a matter of people being educated to what living in a society means and accepting their responsibilities. If they don't want to accept them, then simply use a condom, don't make everybody pay for it!!! That I definitely won't miss. I know we are beginning to suffer from the same thing in Spain, but hopefully it won't go as bad as it has gone here. There are a few sweeping statements in there but I agree with some of it and the system needs to be changed but won't hold my breath. |
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There is a long thread here that is similar, some of it made me chuckle. The poster Returnee strongly reminds me of a poster on here:rofl:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=734128&page=3 |
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We've had an avalanche of family from the UK visiting us this year, from all different parts and of all ages and walks of life. They all just came for a cheap holiday because we have room for them and don't charge them anything.
Not so! All of them came to Spain to look around and to consider leaving the UK to live in Spain permanently. It's uncanny, it has never happened before, at least not on this scale. I've been blue in the face telling them it's madness to buy a house in Spain at the moment because it will be 30% cheaper at the end of next year. But they don't listen; an earlier visitor has just bought a house on an unfinished urbanisation nearby, an urbanisation without electricity and water which will not be finished for another ten years, if ever. A current visitor asked to be shown a house nearby which has been finished and looks quite pretty from the outside. It was ever so cheap and I asked her of she wanted to live next door to a large family of violent gypsies. She accused me of being racist! What the hell is up with the UK to cause this mass exodus? |
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9694818)
There is a long thread here that is similar, some of it made me chuckle. The poster Returnee strongly reminds me of a poster on here:rofl:
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showt...=734128&page=3 Seems incredible from a country where a BMW can be used as a mobility car...........paid for by the government. |
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Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9694850)
We've had an avalanche of family from the UK visiting us this year, from all different parts and of all ages and walks of life. They all just came for a cheap holiday because we have room for them and don't charge them anything.
Not so! All of them came to Spain to look around and to consider leaving the UK to live in Spain permanently. It's uncanny, it has never happened before, at least not on this scale. I've been blue in the face telling them it's madness to buy a house in Spain at the moment because it will be 30% cheaper at the end of next year. But they don't listen; an earlier visitor has just bought a house on an unfinished urbanisation nearby, an urbanisation without electricity and water which will not be finished for another ten years, if ever. A current visitor asked to be shown a house nearby which has been finished and looks quite pretty from the outside. It was ever so cheap and I asked her of she wanted to live next door to a large family of violent gypsies. She accused me of being racist! What the hell is up with the UK to cause this mass exodus? |
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 9694107)
I'm afraid I think it will. Thats progress I guess. When I came here I always said I felt that living in Spain was what it was like in some ways living in the UK 30 or 40 years ago. I dont feel that so much now, as Spain is catching up quickly. In ten years time maybe it wont feel that different in some respects.
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I don't know anyone who wants to leave the UK except those who have got good job prospects in New Zealand, USA etc. However, I don't know any losers (yet) who want to blow away their redundancy in a country that has 30% unemployment in coastal areas. I do know quite a few who want to leave Spain and have their houses on sale...I suppose you know that though with the thousands of properties on sale, unless they are all moving up the ladder:huh:
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Originally Posted by jackytoo
(Post 9695022)
I don't know anyone who wants to leave the UK except those who have got good job prospects in New Zealand, USA etc. However, I don't know any losers (yet) who want to blow away their redundancy in a country that has 30% unemployment in coastal areas. I do know quite a few who want to leave Spain and have their houses on sale...I suppose you know that though with the thousands of properties on sale, unless they are all moving up the ladder:huh:
Those on fixed income are basing the calculations on a more realistic rate of exchange pound to euro, and a lot less pensioners are thinking of relocating than when the pound was high. That is a big advantage, as they will not see their income fall dramatically the way others have. Moving up the ladder........havin a larf aintcha? |
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I think things are so volatile in all countries that it is time to batten down the hatches and pull up the drawbridge until things are a little clearer. All countries are struggling.
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It seems that Spain is still popular with the Brits:
Spain celebrates tourism boom as Britons flock back to its beaches http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...k-beaches.html Earlier this month, the Iberian Peninsula was voted by Britons as the second best place in Europe to live and the best family holiday destination, showing there is no end in sight to our love affair with the Mediterranean country. |
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Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 9695103)
It seems that Spain is still popular with the Brits:
Spain celebrates tourism boom as Britons flock back to its beaches http://www.dailymail.co.uk/travel/ar...k-beaches.html Funnily enough London's been packed out with tourists this year, many of them Spanish. Seems that some folk (perhaps those in work but paying off a mortgage with low interest rates) aren't doing so badly. Let's hope the economies can improve for everyone soon :fingerscrossed: |
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Originally Posted by JLFS
(Post 9695041)
I think most British who are/were thinking of moving to Spain no longer see it as a place to open a business.
Those on fixed income are basing the calculations on a more realistic rate of exchange pound to euro, and a lot less pensioners are thinking of relocating than when the pound was high. That is a big advantage, as they will not see their income fall dramatically the way others have. Moving up the ladder........havin a larf aintcha? There will always be those who want to "give it a go" especially if they fell in love with the place after coming here for holidays over the last couple of years. All that sun, all those tourists, should make a killing. I could come up with at least 6 totally different business ideas for Spain, but have grown very sceptical and realistic having spent more time here and not in the touristy areas. All would need serious money to stay afloat for 6-12m before starting to make useful income, especially as discussed elsewhere Spain isnt renowned for its help to budding entrepreneurs, but they don't know that. That is where people will (and do) come unstuck, you cant take money out of the till and hope to stay afloat. But there's only one way people will find out - the hard way. This is a time, as Jacky says, to batted down the hatches and ride out the storm. It would be better if we could stop all the speculators on the money markets etc from selling the crown jewels. Any actions taken by govts must be allowed time (a year or more) to bed in and start working, its no use some eejut running around shouting after a week or so. sri rant over... back to conjugating my verbals or something |
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Originally Posted by Domino
(Post 9695691)
It could be an act of desperation, people wanting to leave the nothing they feel they have (or haven't) got at home.
There will always be those who want to "give it a go" especially if they fell in love with the place after coming here for holidays over the last couple of years. All that sun, all those tourists, should make a killing. I could come up with at least 6 totally different business ideas for Spain, but have grown very sceptical and realistic having spent more time here and not in the touristy areas. All would need serious money to stay afloat for 6-12m before starting to make useful income, especially as discussed elsewhere Spain isnt renowned for its help to budding entrepreneurs, but they don't know that. That is where people will (and do) come unstuck, you cant take money out of the till and hope to stay afloat. But there's only one way people will find out - the hard way. This is a time, as Jacky says, to batted down the hatches and ride out the storm. It would be better if we could stop all the speculators on the money markets etc from selling the crown jewels. Any actions taken by govts must be allowed time (a year or more) to bed in and start working, its no use some eejut running around shouting after a week or so. sri rant over... back to conjugating my verbals or something So if we are talking about folk that might take a chance on moving to Spain because they feel they have nothing, well then really they are coming on a whim as far as I am concerned. And if you keep practising conjiggerating ( or conjiguerando )your verbs, you will get there in the end. ja ja |
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My own conclusion about the ever-growing masses wanting to escape the UK for Spain is that they can see for themselves that a million expats already here are loving it. The ones it hasn't worked out for are back in the UK, but the ones still here after four years of recession are probably here to stay.
We are taking our current future-expat to Orihuela Costa this morning, a place already swarming with expats; they already have an expat councillor on the local council. We will show her the good and the bad, the bad consisting of unfinished urbanisations that are half empty. And the good? From most of this sprawling coastline full of expats you can walk to the glistening Mediterranean sea in a few minutes, you will never miss anything from back home because you will be back home, but in perpetual sunshine. It won't put her off, how can it? (We're going to have coffee in a cliff-top restaurant with astounding views, she won't find that back home on the outskirts of rain-sodden Glasgow). |
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Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9696181)
My own conclusion about the ever-growing masses wanting to escape the UK for Spain is that they can see for themselves that a million expats already here are loving it. The ones it hasn't worked out for are back in the UK, but the ones still here after four years of recession are probably here to stay.
We are taking our current future-expat to Orihuela Costa this morning, a place already swarming with expats; they already have an expat councillor on the local council. We will show her the good and the bad, the bad consisting of unfinished urbanisations that are half empty. And the good? From most of this sprawling coastline full of expats you can walk to the glistening Mediterranean sea in a few minutes, you will never miss anything from back home because you will be back home, but in perpetual sunshine. It won't put her off, how can it? (We're going to have coffee in a cliff-top restaurant with astounding views, she won't find that back home on the outskirts of rain-sodden Glasgow). Well last time I was up that way,there were some lovely places reasonably close to the outskirts of Glasgow. Loch Lomond just up the road, Lovely islands just of the coast and some pretty countryside both to the South and West. Nice coastal resorts, the Trossachs, etc,etc,etc. I used to love it up there and probably I was just plain lucky, because of all the time I spent up there I can't off-hand recall a single rain-sodden day. |
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9696217)
I used to love it up there and probably I was just plain lucky, because of all the time I spent up there I can't off-hand recall a single rain-sodden day. |
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Personally, I dont think it would be "better abroad" for the majority of the UK population. People in the UK have a comfortable life, high employment, relatively high wages and generous benefits
However, it is incredible the amount of Brits who want to move abroad When we moved to Barcelona suddenly all my friends who we thought were very happy in London wanted to move too. I received long emails and CVs asking what they needed to do to get a job in Spain. I had to send emails back saying "learn Spanish for a start"! We loved our time in London but were put off by the high house prices - £1 million plus for a family house in the area we lived in - and the long working hours, meaning if we were going to start a family it would be very stressful. Food and weather were also a factor, but very much secondary. I never rule out going back though. I think of London as a safety net in case work runs out. |
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I lived up there for quite a few years and can't recall one really sunny day, not one. I do agree on the beauty of the surrounding countryside, especially its greenery and many lochs.
The greenery and deep lochs are due to the incessant rain over the centuries. There's a geographical reason for it. The prevailing winds from both the Irish sea on the doorstep and the North Sea a few miles away have carried clouds full of rain over giant oceans and as soon as they hear a Glasgow accent they drop the lot. |
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One of our neighbours is Scottish and has been in Spain for 8 years. they would love to go back to Scotland and take a croft again, but when they remember what the weather was like, they have second thoughts.
They love Scotland, they love the countryside, but they seldom got the chance to enjoy it because of contant rain, winds etc whick kept them insde the house |
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Again, I'm sad to see that for many people here the main reason to live in Spain is the weather, so they make sure that they live in ghettos in order to minimise their contact with the Spanish.
Of course, as HGB put it, "And the good? From most of this sprawling coastline full of expats you can walk to the glistening Mediterranean sea in a few minutes, you will never miss anything from back home because you will be back home, but in perpetual sunshine." :( |
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Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9696217)
Well last time I was up that way,there were some lovely places reasonably close to the outskirts of Glasgow.
Loch Lomond just up the road, Lovely islands just of the coast and some pretty countryside both to the South and West. Nice coastal resorts, the Trossachs, etc,etc,etc. I used to love it up there and probably I was just plain lucky, because of all the time I spent up there I can't off-hand recall a single rain-sodden day. |
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Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9696264)
Again, I'm sad to see that for many people here the main reason to live in Spain is the weather, so they make sure that they live in ghettos in order to minimise their contact with the Spanish.
Of course, as HGB put it, "And the good? From most of this sprawling coastline full of expats you can walk to the glistening Mediterranean sea in a few minutes, you will never miss anything from back home because you will be back home, but in perpetual sunshine." :( I did come here for better weather but solely for medical reasons. We chose to live inland and 'mix' with the locals. Every day I seem to hear of yet another family going back, either to UK, Holland or some where else. Soon there will be only the Spanish unless they're moving out as well? Spoiler:
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Re: It's far better abroad
Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9696264)
Again, I'm sad to see that for many people here the main reason to live in Spain is the weather, so they make sure that they live in ghettos in order to minimise their contact with the Spanish.
:( Bit of a sweeping patronising statement eh :frown: So who exactly do you think are the people here who live in a ghetto? |
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Originally Posted by evamar
(Post 9696264)
Again, I'm sad to see that for many people here the main reason to live in Spain is the weather, so they make sure that they live in ghettos in order to minimise their contact with the Spanish.
Of course, as HGB put it, "And the good? From most of this sprawling coastline full of expats you can walk to the glistening Mediterranean sea in a few minutes, you will never miss anything from back home because you will be back home, but in perpetual sunshine." :( When we came here we made a point of trying to avoid built up expat areas, and thats the case with the few Brit friends we have here in Spain. So I live maybe 7 kms from the coast but its not overun by Brit Expats here. Some, yes ... but no ghettos as you describe Where these ghettos exist, it seems to be the same with any nationality. French, Germans, they all seem to form a colony somewhere. It happens in the UK as well with immigrant groups. Just because it happens here though doesnt necessarily mean that its the norm |
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 9696276)
Where these ghettos exist, it seems to be the same with any nationality. French, Germans, they all seem to form a colony somewhere. It happens in the UK as well with immigrant groups. Just because it happens here though doesnt necessarily mean that its the norm |
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Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 9696278)
or that it is a bad thing.
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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy
(Post 9696280)
True, other than the damage it does to the country where it exists
What damage? Hasnt society/humankind always lived like this in groups or clans of some sort? |
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Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 9696285)
What damage?
Benidorm, Levante And yes I know about the extra revenue for the area argument :) |
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Originally Posted by whitelinen
(Post 9696278)
or that it is a bad thing.
Imagine if there were say, lots of Germans all living together, just outside of Brighton, where you can only find German spoken, with German shops and businesses - and Brits were unwelcome. Wouldnt you find that an afront to your country? My wife got angry one day when we were in Mijas. We met an English couple in an English cafe. My wife couldnt believe there were no menus in Spanish. It is incredible that a business would set itself up in the middle of a Spanish village and not even put the menu in Spanish. It is an afront to the local people. In Catalunya a business must have all its information in Catalan and a Catalan speaker always available or risk being fined or shut down. Imo it should be the same in the rest of Spain. A business must have a Spanish speaker available to clients or be shut down |
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