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In a thread recently Mitzy asked about the increase of various taxes but I cannot find it. Anyway I received our car tax demand today €45.41 exactly the same as last year so hopefully the rest of the taxes will be the same. Some hopes.
Graham.

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Twas HERE

Mine was €100 .... and I got one for the car that I took back to the UK months ago. Filled in the forms, told the Town Hall ... all to no avail :eek:

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Ipaid my car tax yesterday 48 euro, no rise from last year :)

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Yes I think we know that, but interesting to see the differences. Also varies depending on the car engine / emissions

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Are you sure that it is now based on emissions? I know that the registration tax now is but I thought that the local tax was still based on "fiscal horsepower".

Incidentally, when I moved 15km the tax increased threefold - I now pay €140 for a 1.9l diesel.

That's more than it would cost in the UK.

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I said the car engine, so maybe I should have said engine size

I did read somewhere that emissions come into it, but tbh as far as I know mine is based on the size of the vehicle

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I know that it varies from area to area, I mentioned it because I was extremely surprised that it had not risen and wondered if other people had a different experience.

Graham

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I was paying more than that here 3 years ago Fred. :eek:
I think they add some on for all the illegal UK motors here. ;);)

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I havnt paid mine for 5 years.:thumbsup:

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Im not worried.I bought the vechle of a expat going home he didnt bother with the paper work.let this be a lesson for any one not doing things right in spain:thumbup:

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The fun will start when you come to sell it ,no one will want it , also traffico are now asking for proof that taxes are paid so you'll end up have the car impounded.

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taxes are a civil mater.same as rates.even if it ever gets impounded.wich there s no chance.its paid for itself in parking in tickets alone:rofl:

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So did it increase threefold on the same vehicle or did you not have a 1.9 diesel previously ?
I only ask because I have a diesel on order, when I've only had petrol previously in Spain.
I'm trying to work out if the diesel vehicle tax is much more expensive than for an equivalent sized petrol.

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circulation tax is not traffic.its town counsil at least in this area.itv you only need the log book for the vechile and the circulation permit for the owner of vechile.you can insure any car even if you dont own it.and the letter havnt you heard of a printer and biro

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No, it was a straight change of address.

I am not aware that the fuel makes any difference.

It used to affect registration tax before they changed it to emissions based.

It is based on "fiscal horsepower" which is an old fashioned measurement.

http://www.autocity.com/tramites_dgt...os/anexo5.html

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My car is a 2 litre diesel, 48 euro ro Think petrol would be the same here too.ad tax.

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So, on that basis, are diesels more expensive as they produce more power per cc????

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Look at the formula in the link I posted.

The fiscal HP is based on engine sizes (bore, stroke, number of cylinders etc) - not engine capacity or fuel.

It's almost the same as the old UK measurement of horsepower.

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:confused:
Surely the sum of bore,stroke and cylinders is the same as engine capacity as measured in ccs.

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Oooooh, this is getting far too interesting. Please can we resume the usual taunts, threats and insults about illegal Brit cars in Spain.

It's soooooo entertaining!:rofl:

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No it's not. Check the formula and you will see that it is not the same as basic cubic capacity.

There is a big difference between long stroke and short stroke engines of the same capacity.

Anyway, this is verging off topic and as the maths are beyond most people so let's keep the posts to the subject of tax increases.

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Seems to me that the stroke length or swept volume is used to calculate the cubic capacity. :confused:

http://www.pumaracing.co.uk/CAPACITY.htm

and appears to be relevant in calculating the tax ?

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Leaving the maths aside, in our town the taxes are in bands.

To maximise the tax they get, the increases between bands are disproportionate.

The worst band, not surprisingly, is the 12 to 16 band which includes most family cars. Both our cars are in that band - both around 2 litres.

De menos de 8 caballos fiscales 23,86.-€
De 8 hasta 11,99 caballos fiscales 66,50.-€
De 12 hasta 15,99 caballos fiscales 142,87.-€
De 16 hasta 19,99 caballos fiscales 167,97.-€

We had a small increase this year but as you can see from the figures, our rates are considerably higher than most towns.

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Thanks for that Fred.
So if you move from 11.99 hosses up to 12 the tax more than doubles.
Phew !
Whilst the prices obviously vary between districts, I wonder if they use the same ratio increases between power bands to calculate prices in all areas.
For instance more than double it for a marginal increase as above.

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I had a quick look at a couple of other municipalities and the bands are the same. However, even though the amounts obviously vary, there is no correlation between the bands.

For example, In Almunecar the 12-16 band is €143 and in Malaga it is €134 but the next band, 16-20 is the same in both places - €167:confused::confused:

Hopefully they will change over to an emissions based system soon.

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Yes it is , a long stroke with the same capaicty as a short stroke would differ in piston diameter only .
Engine capaicty is not connected to horse power or torque .

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They dont.

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At full revs they don't and tend to be fairly similar, but at lower revs they do, as per more torque for the diesel.

Just curious regarding the two grades of diesel here. A and B
I presume one has a lesser tax as in the UK.
Is that only for agricultural use or other commercial purposes ?

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or shadey people:rofl:

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Petrol engines far out perform diesels in horse power and can can be tuned to do so for torque as well,look up variable cam timing etc, hence you don't see diesel engines Aston Martins or Ferrari`s ,

Gasoleo B is for non highway commercial vehicles such as excavators ,tractors etc,you need a special bank account and debit card to buy the stuff , it`s dyed red and is around 30 to 40% cheaper than gasoleo A.

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Of course petrol can always produce more overall horsepower if required, but efficiency is a big factor in designing most road vehicles.

Diesel job is much the same as in the UK then, though the tax on the UK red has increased a lot to what it used to be,if it used to be taxed at all.
The red was virtually peanuts at one time.

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Hi Fred how do you look up what Local Authority car tax rates?

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Find the Ayuntamiento web site and look up the local ordenanzas.

You will find it somewhere in there.