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Didn't make our money out of the back of property. We actually had careers in the UK. Spending two thousand per month is hardly top bracket is it. Never said I had any money anyway.

JLFS, to preserve forum harmony I think you should refrain from using the words incomers and marida;):lol:

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:lol:

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And Jacky to preserve the forum harmony I think you should refrain from using :D:lol: because you are only one small step away from using a :rofl:

Which is unacceptable as it has been pointed out on here.

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I'm reminded a little of those English second-homers in Wales or Cornwall, who are often resented for pushing house prices up beyond local workers. Indeed at times this resentment resulted in holiday homes being burnt down in Wales. Obviously there was more to it than just envy of the rich incomers pricing out locals (linguistic issues also were a factor), but I suspect the local population also didn't feel they benefited much from the summer influx, besides one or two temporary bar jobs. There again, someone like Rick Stein has obviously done well from his location and the tourist influx.

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I can't agree that the largesse of anyone's lifestyle should affect how they are described as a person who has left their own country to live in another one, permanently and by choice.

Calling them "incomers" sounds to me like one of those PC terms chosen as euphemisms to avoid giving offence - but why should the word "immigrant" be seen as offensive? Extranjero or foreigner could be used equally well to describe someone who is only here as a tourist, so that wouldn't be appropriate. "Expat" to me means someone who is in another country purely to work for a temporary period and will move on, either to another country or back to their own.

Given today's global economy, the Spanish people are very likely to be buying products produced in other countries and sold by "foreign" firms as well as people from other countries who are living in Spain - no shortage of Spaniards buying from the Chino bazaars, driving foreign-made cars, wearing clothes which are manufactured in other countries even if sold by Spanish chain stores.

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I'm not convinced I think that either, however I do think, having read this thread through, it might be worthy of debate - which is all I actually said;)

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I say again that I don't see 'incomers' as having any negative connotations.

In our village it is obvious that incomers have had a profound effect - mostly positive - on the local economy. A large percentage of the many derelict houses have been bought by incomers and reformed using local building products and (mostly) local labour. Many of the bars, restaurants and shops simply couldn't have survived without incomer patronage. There are very few incomers working or running their own businesses who are taking business or jobs away from the local people. I am one of those although no-one seems to mind.

I suppose that one complaint that could be made is that it has pushed house prices up beyond the reach of local people. But now the only houses being sold are owned by incomers who are prepared to reduce their prices where the Spanish refuse to do so - so the remedy to this problem is in their own hands.

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Last year alone over 20,000 Spanish moved to UK, but the difference with them is the vast majority have gone for work, not to retire, so of course they are paying all their taxes in UK. I think whether you are resident or on holiday, there's every chance you be called an "extranjero". :) You'll always be a foreigner no matter how long you stay.

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Agree, but unfortunately that happens in lots of places, and of course initially it was the Spanish themselves that sold these properties to guiris and made a killing. ;) They can't have it both ways, although you have to feel some sympathy for the youngsters trying to get a start on the property ladder.

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Maybe we should return to basics. I have a Spanish neighbour a few doors away who drives a Twingo. I drive a Mercedes. I've tried to talk to him but he seems to hate me. I suppose I could downsize to make him feel better, but I can't even fit in a Twingo.

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Well, perhaps Cman would benefit by thinking through his responses a bit, since his views are not only often verifiably exaggerated or simply false, but he does have a funny habit of completely contradicting himself.

But perhaps you're right, I should go easier on him, since he does exhibit essentially the very same behaviour and mentality exhibited by the politicians who helped Spain (and Europe) get us into the fine position we are in at present.

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Of course I'm an extranjera, or la inglesa as my neighbours say when describing me.

Why should the fact that you have gone to another country to work, rather than to retire, make a difference to the way you are described? I'm an early retiree but I'm still an immigrant. People who go to live in the UK to find work are often described as economic migrants. Wanting to live in a country where they feel their incomes in retirement will go further, or their resources will enable them to retire early, as I did (although that's only one of the many reasons people have to leave their own country) also makes us economic migrants. As far as possible I'm avoiding references to specific countries as I feel that makes the argument less emotive, and it applies to every country equally as far as I'm concerned.

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Many British don't seem to like being described as immigrants. What's in a name! We all have different perceptions. I don't like the word guiri, others are happy being called one. When OH was in málaga hospital I heard him referred to a few times as the foreigner. Didn't bother me but I did sort of notice it when others were being called by their first names. Ex-pat to me infers someone who has been sent abroad by their company, have little interest of adapting to the local customs etc as it is never their intention to stay.

Did anyone see where a guy on facebook was having a rant about some illegal travellers nearby and called them Pikeys.....he was fined £300:blink:

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So, I am still in the same situation what to call the expats/guiris/foreigners/pateros/migrant/immigrants/immigrunts/Poms etc...???
Or God forbid,incomer?

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Phileas Foggers?