Incomers.....
Jan 24th 2012 | 3:22 am
#136
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Jan 24th 2012 | 8:13 pm
#137
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Re: Incomers.....
If I'm doing around the speed limit I usually just stay out in the fast lane. After all the medium lane is for those doing around 80-100kph and the slow lane for all the rest.
Jan 24th 2012 | 9:23 pm
#138
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Re: Incomers.....
There aren't any three lane motorways around here.
Jan 24th 2012 | 11:50 pm
#140
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Re: Incomers.....
Sorry to be a pedant, (and I'd be obliged if them'as knows will put me straight about the Spanish rules of the road) but the inside lane (UK) is in fact the 'driving lane' and any 'outside' that are overtaking lanes unless they have markings to the contrary. So - and clearly in a typical urban stretch where there are multiple joining junctions it may be more sensible to stay in one of the two overtaking lanes - you/I/we really shouldn't regard them as 'I'll stay here because it suits me' lanes.
Grump over!
As you were....
Grump over!
As you were....
Jan 25th 2012 | 1:06 am
#141
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From: Aracena area Huelva Spain
Re: Incomers.....
Sorry to be a pedant, (and I'd be obliged if them'as knows will put me straight about the Spanish rules of the road) but the inside lane (UK) is in fact the 'driving lane' and any 'outside' that are overtaking lanes unless they have markings to the contrary. So - and clearly in a typical urban stretch where there are multiple joining junctions it may be more sensible to stay in one of the two overtaking lanes - you/I/we really shouldn't regard them as 'I'll stay here because it suits me' lanes.
Grump over!
As you were....
Grump over!
As you were....
Jan 25th 2012 | 2:05 am
#142
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Re: Incomers.....
CLODS = center lane only drivers.
Jan 25th 2012 | 3:11 am
#143
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Re: Incomers.....
Sorry to be a pedant, (and I'd be obliged if them'as knows will put me straight about the Spanish rules of the road) but the inside lane (UK) is in fact the 'driving lane' and any 'outside' that are overtaking lanes unless they have markings to the contrary. So - and clearly in a typical urban stretch where there are multiple joining junctions it may be more sensible to stay in one of the two overtaking lanes - you/I/we really shouldn't regard them as 'I'll stay here because it suits me' lanes.
Driving on the motorway
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should give priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking
On the motorway
260
When you can see well ahead and the road conditions are good, you should
drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit (see Rule 124)
keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front and increase the gap on wet or icy roads, or in fog (see Rules 126 and 235)
Notice use of words like "Should", not "must". There is a lot more if you bother to read it.
Jim
Jan 25th 2012 | 3:47 am
#144
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Re: Incomers.....
Example of instructions for using UK motorway.
Driving on the motorway
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should give priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking
On the motorway
260
When you can see well ahead and the road conditions are good, you should
drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit (see Rule 124)
keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front and increase the gap on wet or icy roads, or in fog (see Rules 126 and 235)
Notice use of words like "Should", not "must". There is a lot more if you bother to read it.
Jim
Driving on the motorway
259
Joining the motorway. When you join the motorway you will normally approach it from a road on the left (a slip road) or from an adjoining motorway. You should give priority to traffic already on the motorway
check the traffic on the motorway and match your speed to fit safely into the traffic flow in the left-hand lane
not cross solid white lines that separate lanes or use the hard shoulder
stay on the slip road if it continues as an extra lane on the motorway
remain in the left-hand lane long enough to adjust to the speed of traffic before considering overtaking
On the motorway
260
When you can see well ahead and the road conditions are good, you should
drive at a steady cruising speed which you and your vehicle can handle safely and is within the speed limit (see Rule 124)
keep a safe distance from the vehicle in front and increase the gap on wet or icy roads, or in fog (see Rules 126 and 235)
Notice use of words like "Should", not "must". There is a lot more if you bother to read it.
Jim
Anyone know where to find the equivalent rules & regs for spanish driving? I'd hate to set myself up as a pedant only to find I'm talking out of the wrong orifice
Jan 25th 2012 | 9:19 am
#145
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Re: Incomers.....
The middle and outer lanes are for overtaking ONLY, did you never read the highway code?
Jan 25th 2012 | 11:09 am
#147
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Re: Incomers.....
Deja vu, Megmet.... post #140!!!!
Jan 25th 2012 | 8:55 pm
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Re: Incomers.....
Maybe this will help clear up any confusion.
Apparently it is slightly different in Spain.
http://www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-8646.aspx
It is important that all vehicles drive on the right hand side of the road. However we recognize there will be times when this is not practical or even possible hence on such occasions it is permissible to drive on the Left – drivers should use their own discretion and good judgment in such cases.
The road immediately in front of your vehicle is your space and must be defended at all times and at any cost. Any other vehicle attempting to enter your space must be discouraged and if this happens speed up and try to ensure the interloper does not encroach. There are some bad people out there who simply have no sense of precedence.
When turning to the left or right it is important to signal your intention at some point in the process. Because people often change their minds about which way to turn the process of signaling is often best left until after the turn has been made just to ensure that you do not signal in error and confuse other road users.
When approaching a hazard in front of you it is best to attempt to steer around it rather than to incur costly wear and tear on the braking system. It may even be beneficial to increase your speed in such circumstances since the increased velocity of your vehicle may make the hazard go away.
It is important to position your vehicle on the road correctly and the white lines can be useful in this respect. When ever possible ensure that your vehicle straddles the white line and your hood ornament can be useful in helping you to position your vehicle correctly. On multi lane roads it is usually best to occupy the far left or so called fast lane since this will ensure that motorists behind you don’t break the law by speeding.
Black and white striped paths have been painted across many roads in city and town centre’s. These highly decorative road markings are for the entertainment of foreign tourists who seem to enjoy walking on them – they require no special action on the part of the motorist.
Traffic lights are designed for your safety and have been installed to ensure a constant flow of traffic in all directions, at the same time. For the avoidance of doubt the green light means it is safe to proceed, the amber light means the red light is coming but it is still safe to proceed. The red light means that the green light will come next and it can surely only be a few seconds away so it must be safe to proceed.
When changing lanes it is advisable to execute the maneuver quickly so as not to inconvenience other road users. Newer cars are fitted with rear facing mirrors both inside and outside the vehicle and these are useful for checking makeup, hair you’re your general appearance – if you do not recall ever seeing these mirrors you may wish to go and examine your vehicle now. We do not consider it safe for drivers to use those mirrors whilst executing a dangerous maneuver such as lane change.
Motorists should exercise due care and attention at all times and avoid unnecessary distractions, particularly from other occupants of the vehicle. We recognize that there will be times however such as when your answer your mobile, have to speak with the wife/girlfriend next to you, play with the kids to keep them occupied, drink a beer, eat, have a brief nap, change the DVD etc when this will not be fully possible. At such times we ask you to be extra vigilant.
It is not possible to document all aspects of safe driving in this note because there are so many laws. Your local police have however been specially trained to understand all of the laws and they will advise you if they observe you breaking any of them.
Apparently it is slightly different in Spain.
http://www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-8646.aspx
It is important that all vehicles drive on the right hand side of the road. However we recognize there will be times when this is not practical or even possible hence on such occasions it is permissible to drive on the Left – drivers should use their own discretion and good judgment in such cases.
The road immediately in front of your vehicle is your space and must be defended at all times and at any cost. Any other vehicle attempting to enter your space must be discouraged and if this happens speed up and try to ensure the interloper does not encroach. There are some bad people out there who simply have no sense of precedence.
When turning to the left or right it is important to signal your intention at some point in the process. Because people often change their minds about which way to turn the process of signaling is often best left until after the turn has been made just to ensure that you do not signal in error and confuse other road users.
When approaching a hazard in front of you it is best to attempt to steer around it rather than to incur costly wear and tear on the braking system. It may even be beneficial to increase your speed in such circumstances since the increased velocity of your vehicle may make the hazard go away.
It is important to position your vehicle on the road correctly and the white lines can be useful in this respect. When ever possible ensure that your vehicle straddles the white line and your hood ornament can be useful in helping you to position your vehicle correctly. On multi lane roads it is usually best to occupy the far left or so called fast lane since this will ensure that motorists behind you don’t break the law by speeding.
Black and white striped paths have been painted across many roads in city and town centre’s. These highly decorative road markings are for the entertainment of foreign tourists who seem to enjoy walking on them – they require no special action on the part of the motorist.
Traffic lights are designed for your safety and have been installed to ensure a constant flow of traffic in all directions, at the same time. For the avoidance of doubt the green light means it is safe to proceed, the amber light means the red light is coming but it is still safe to proceed. The red light means that the green light will come next and it can surely only be a few seconds away so it must be safe to proceed.
When changing lanes it is advisable to execute the maneuver quickly so as not to inconvenience other road users. Newer cars are fitted with rear facing mirrors both inside and outside the vehicle and these are useful for checking makeup, hair you’re your general appearance – if you do not recall ever seeing these mirrors you may wish to go and examine your vehicle now. We do not consider it safe for drivers to use those mirrors whilst executing a dangerous maneuver such as lane change.
Motorists should exercise due care and attention at all times and avoid unnecessary distractions, particularly from other occupants of the vehicle. We recognize that there will be times however such as when your answer your mobile, have to speak with the wife/girlfriend next to you, play with the kids to keep them occupied, drink a beer, eat, have a brief nap, change the DVD etc when this will not be fully possible. At such times we ask you to be extra vigilant.
It is not possible to document all aspects of safe driving in this note because there are so many laws. Your local police have however been specially trained to understand all of the laws and they will advise you if they observe you breaking any of them.
Jan 25th 2012 | 10:07 pm
#149
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From: Aracena area Huelva Spain
Re: Incomers.....
Maybe this will help clear up any confusion.
Apparently it is slightly different in Spain.
http://www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-8646.aspx
It is important that all vehicles drive on the right hand side of the road. However we recognize there will be times when this is not practical or even possible hence on such occasions it is permissible to drive on the Left – drivers should use their own discretion and good judgment in such cases.
The road immediately in front of your vehicle is your space and must be defended at all times and at any cost. Any other vehicle attempting to enter your space must be discouraged and if this happens speed up and try to ensure the interloper does not encroach. There are some bad people out there who simply have no sense of precedence.
When turning to the left or right it is important to signal your intention at some point in the process. Because people often change their minds about which way to turn the process of signaling is often best left until after the turn has been made just to ensure that you do not signal in error and confuse other road users.
When approaching a hazard in front of you it is best to attempt to steer around it rather than to incur costly wear and tear on the braking system. It may even be beneficial to increase your speed in such circumstances since the increased velocity of your vehicle may make the hazard go away.
It is important to position your vehicle on the road correctly and the white lines can be useful in this respect. When ever possible ensure that your vehicle straddles the white line and your hood ornament can be useful in helping you to position your vehicle correctly. On multi lane roads it is usually best to occupy the far left or so called fast lane since this will ensure that motorists behind you don’t break the law by speeding.
Black and white striped paths have been painted across many roads in city and town centre’s. These highly decorative road markings are for the entertainment of foreign tourists who seem to enjoy walking on them – they require no special action on the part of the motorist.
Traffic lights are designed for your safety and have been installed to ensure a constant flow of traffic in all directions, at the same time. For the avoidance of doubt the green light means it is safe to proceed, the amber light means the red light is coming but it is still safe to proceed. The red light means that the green light will come next and it can surely only be a few seconds away so it must be safe to proceed.
When changing lanes it is advisable to execute the maneuver quickly so as not to inconvenience other road users. Newer cars are fitted with rear facing mirrors both inside and outside the vehicle and these are useful for checking makeup, hair you’re your general appearance – if you do not recall ever seeing these mirrors you may wish to go and examine your vehicle now. We do not consider it safe for drivers to use those mirrors whilst executing a dangerous maneuver such as lane change.
Motorists should exercise due care and attention at all times and avoid unnecessary distractions, particularly from other occupants of the vehicle. We recognize that there will be times however such as when your answer your mobile, have to speak with the wife/girlfriend next to you, play with the kids to keep them occupied, drink a beer, eat, have a brief nap, change the DVD etc when this will not be fully possible. At such times we ask you to be extra vigilant.
It is not possible to document all aspects of safe driving in this note because there are so many laws. Your local police have however been specially trained to understand all of the laws and they will advise you if they observe you breaking any of them.
Apparently it is slightly different in Spain.
http://www.eyeonspain.com/forums/posts-long-8646.aspx
It is important that all vehicles drive on the right hand side of the road. However we recognize there will be times when this is not practical or even possible hence on such occasions it is permissible to drive on the Left – drivers should use their own discretion and good judgment in such cases.
The road immediately in front of your vehicle is your space and must be defended at all times and at any cost. Any other vehicle attempting to enter your space must be discouraged and if this happens speed up and try to ensure the interloper does not encroach. There are some bad people out there who simply have no sense of precedence.
When turning to the left or right it is important to signal your intention at some point in the process. Because people often change their minds about which way to turn the process of signaling is often best left until after the turn has been made just to ensure that you do not signal in error and confuse other road users.
When approaching a hazard in front of you it is best to attempt to steer around it rather than to incur costly wear and tear on the braking system. It may even be beneficial to increase your speed in such circumstances since the increased velocity of your vehicle may make the hazard go away.
It is important to position your vehicle on the road correctly and the white lines can be useful in this respect. When ever possible ensure that your vehicle straddles the white line and your hood ornament can be useful in helping you to position your vehicle correctly. On multi lane roads it is usually best to occupy the far left or so called fast lane since this will ensure that motorists behind you don’t break the law by speeding.
Black and white striped paths have been painted across many roads in city and town centre’s. These highly decorative road markings are for the entertainment of foreign tourists who seem to enjoy walking on them – they require no special action on the part of the motorist.
Traffic lights are designed for your safety and have been installed to ensure a constant flow of traffic in all directions, at the same time. For the avoidance of doubt the green light means it is safe to proceed, the amber light means the red light is coming but it is still safe to proceed. The red light means that the green light will come next and it can surely only be a few seconds away so it must be safe to proceed.
When changing lanes it is advisable to execute the maneuver quickly so as not to inconvenience other road users. Newer cars are fitted with rear facing mirrors both inside and outside the vehicle and these are useful for checking makeup, hair you’re your general appearance – if you do not recall ever seeing these mirrors you may wish to go and examine your vehicle now. We do not consider it safe for drivers to use those mirrors whilst executing a dangerous maneuver such as lane change.
Motorists should exercise due care and attention at all times and avoid unnecessary distractions, particularly from other occupants of the vehicle. We recognize that there will be times however such as when your answer your mobile, have to speak with the wife/girlfriend next to you, play with the kids to keep them occupied, drink a beer, eat, have a brief nap, change the DVD etc when this will not be fully possible. At such times we ask you to be extra vigilant.
It is not possible to document all aspects of safe driving in this note because there are so many laws. Your local police have however been specially trained to understand all of the laws and they will advise you if they observe you breaking any of them.
Jan 25th 2012 | 10:32 pm
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