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BAT7311 Mar 24th 2013 12:52 am

ILLEGAL BRITISH IPTV STREAMS SHUT DOWN
 
we have had services closed here ...i dont know what or why anyone lost there IPTV ??

Dxf Mar 24th 2013 1:35 am

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Hola

No mine´s Ok Sunday 24th march @ 2-30 pm

Davexf

BAT7311 Mar 24th 2013 2:31 am

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Originally Posted by Dxf (Post 10621083)
Hola

No mine´s Ok Sunday 24th march @ 2-30 pm

Davexf


who is your your service with m8

The Guy Mar 24th 2013 3:28 am

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Originally Posted by BAT7311 (Post 10621030)
we have had services closed here ...i dont know what or why anyone lost there IPTV ??

What are the names of the services or service providers that have been shut down?
(links to websites would be good :-) ) and have these services posted any "customer information" about what has happened?
Have not heard from anyone who have lost their IPTV today? And the two boxes I have here are still working fine.
Are you sure it is simply not a "glitch"?

Domino Mar 24th 2013 8:02 am

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:hysterical:

tommy.irene Mar 24th 2013 8:16 am

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still working freetvall.com :thumbsup:

BAT7311 Mar 24th 2013 9:28 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10621575)
:hysterical:

yes i am very pleased ... can retire by xmas

BAT7311 Mar 24th 2013 9:30 am

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Originally Posted by The Guy (Post 10621217)
What are the names of the services or service providers that have been shut down?
(links to websites would be good :-) ) and have these services posted any "customer information" about what has happened?
Have not heard from anyone who have lost their IPTV today? And the two boxes I have here are still working fine.
Are you sure it is simply not a "glitch"?

i have no idea who what or where but has been 2nd weekend in a row that aerial and iptv gone off ,last week they said the fuse went in the transmitter and it was to dark to go and fix ...we have bet on the tooth fairy forgetting to come this week as the treason ....

Domino Mar 24th 2013 12:14 pm

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probably caused by Nelson's fleet sailing by and Brits signalling them from windows facing the sea
:rofl:

ever tried communicating by bouncing a light off a cloud??
it does work you know
;)

Saxy Mar 24th 2013 8:55 pm

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Shut down, or does it just have a technical problem?

Mitzyboy Mar 24th 2013 9:30 pm

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Originally Posted by BAT7311 (Post 10621701)
i have no idea who what or where but has been 2nd weekend in a row that aerial and iptv gone off ,last week they said the fuse went in the transmitter and it was to dark to go and fix ...we have bet on the tooth fairy forgetting to come this week as the treason ....

A reliable service then!

Saxy Mar 24th 2013 9:51 pm

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 10622252)
A reliable service then!

That's a bit hard on technicians who may have a serious problem. Unless of course you know that it is a regular occurrence?

Mitzyboy Mar 24th 2013 9:58 pm

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Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 10622269)
That's a bit hard on technicians who may have a serious problem. Unless of course you know that it is a regular occurrence?

<sigh>
It was a joke

Saxy Mar 24th 2013 10:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 10622274)
<sigh>
It was a joke

I know, but there's someone on here (and we all know who he is ;)), who is only too ready to seize on any opportunity to 'Knock' internet TV. We all know that it's just 'Sour Grapes' because he doesn't have a good enough internet signal to receive it :demon:

EMR Mar 24th 2013 10:37 pm

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Maybe it has got something to do with companies stealing programs, breaking copywrite etc and charging us for it,
We all suffer in the long run , why should the BBC and others spend millions on prograns when the tea leaves do not pay for re broadcasting rights.

Mitzyboy Mar 24th 2013 10:43 pm

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Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 10622296)
I know, but there's someone on here (and we all know who he is ;)), who is only too ready to seize on any opportunity to 'Knock' internet TV. We all know that it's just 'Sour Grapes' because he doesn't have a good enough internet signal to receive it :demon:


Not me

Yes I know, I'm just always fed up because no one seems to have a sense of humour on here any more and you have to be so careful what you say (not referring to you, just general)

tommy.irene Mar 24th 2013 10:53 pm

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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/poli...e=dlvr.it&utm_

Saxy Mar 24th 2013 11:01 pm

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10622303)
Maybe it has got something to do with companies stealing programs, breaking copywrite etc and charging us for it,
We all suffer in the long run , why should the BBC and others spend millions on prograns when the tea leaves do not pay for re broadcasting rights.

For a start the BBC aren't involved in the dispute!
I think that the court ruling only applies if the retransmission takes place after the original broadcast is aired, but that is just my reading of it, I'm not a 'Legal Eagle' (I wish I were, I'd have Mansions and 'Rollers' all over the place :cool: ).
I think that is why TVCatchup is so confident of their position!

P.S.
Mitzyboy, what's a sense of humour :confused:

Domino Mar 24th 2013 11:18 pm

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Originally Posted by tommy.irene (Post 10622322)

not sure what that link has to the post, but it could have reference to the SOH sub-thread
:)

Domino Mar 24th 2013 11:28 pm

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Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 10622340)
For a start the BBC aren't involved in the dispute!
I think that the court ruling only applies if the retransmission takes place after the original broadcast is aired, but that is just my reading of it, I'm not a 'Legal Eagle' (I wish I were, I'd have Mansions and 'Rollers' all over the place :cool: ).
I think that is why TVCatchup is so confident of their position!
P.S.
Mitzyboy, what's a sense of humour :confused:

I would suggest that the BBC are doing what they do best - sit back and let the others to all the work and ride on the back of the legal rulings paid for by others.

As to TVCATCHUP, who profess not to be taking live feeds but are a rebroadcaster of previously transmitted Intellectual Property..........


TVCatchup is an internet television service for viewing certain UK channels from free-to-air digital terrestrial and satellite broadcasters live without the use of a television receiver. The service re-broadcasts BBC, ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5 and free to air Sky channels. Initially the legality of the service was questioned causing it to be suspended. The service was relaunched minus the network PVR functionality offering a roster of TV channels upon free registration. As the service permits the viewing of live television channels a TV licence is required. The service is only accessible in the United Kingdom and the website has stringent monitoring facilities that they use to detect and block multiple accesses from the same IP address as well as proxy and VPN access. The service is funded by advertising, with a pre-roll advertisement preceding the live channel stream.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVCatchup

perhaps they are confident of their postion in things, but the worrying part is that obviously you are not. But you have already admitted you use various methods to get round the checking systems restricting access to the dance.
I leave others to make their own conclusions as to where that leaves you, especially as you have already admitted to recommending such systems to others.

Oh, and many thanks for the advertising on my behalf.
:thumbsup:

Saxy Mar 24th 2013 11:46 pm

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10622379)
I would suggest that the BBC are doing what they do best - sit back and let the others to all the work and ride on the back of the legal rulings paid for by others.

As to TVCATCHUP, who profess not to be taking live feeds but are a rebroadcaster of previously transmitted Intellectual Property..........


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVCatchup

perhaps they are confident of their postion in things, but the worrying part is that obviously you are not. But you have already admitted you use various methods to get round the checking systems restricting access to the dance.
I leave others to make their own conclusions as to where that leaves you, especially as you have already admitted to recommending such systems to others.

Oh, and many thanks for the advertising on my behalf.
:thumbsup:

I think his chain has been well and truly pulled ;)

Domino Mar 24th 2013 11:47 pm

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Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 10622420)
I think his chain has been well and truly pulled ;)

but it is you that gets flushed (Can I use that word ??)

:rofl:

Saxy Mar 25th 2013 12:03 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10622422)
but it is you that gets flushed (Can I use that word ??)

:rofl:

Quite good that! but until it's illegal to receive internet TV (and it isn't), I will continue to try and help others. :)

TVCatchup marches on :thumbsup:

EMR Mar 25th 2013 12:37 am

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It is not the legality of receiving that is being discussed ( even for those who hide behind a proxy address ) but the legality of re broadcasting something that they have no rights to.
If and when they are switched off the fun will start.
I hope that the domestic cable/sat suppliers in Southern Europe and elsewhere will see the commercial potential for adding some mainstream UK channels to their subscription lists even if they are not live feeds.
This would impact on those who currently supply or aim to supply via the internet but it will be freely available, certainly better quality and reliable.

Saxy Mar 25th 2013 12:55 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10622527)
It is not the legality of receiving that is being discussed ( even for those who hide behind a proxy address ) but the legality of re broadcasting something that they have no rights to.
If and when they are switched off the fun will start.
I hope that the domestic cable/sat suppliers in Southern Europe and elsewhere will see the commercial potential for adding some mainstream UK channels to their subscription lists even if they are not live feeds.
This would impact on those who currently supply or aim to supply via the internet but it will be freely available, certainly better quality and reliable.

Did you not read my post 18? We are all guessing (Barrack Room Lawyers) about the legal jargon of the ECJ ruling. So to make statements about the situation is pointless.

EMR Mar 25th 2013 1:16 am

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We were all" guessing" about the loss of UKTV whn the new Astra sats were launched but its going to happen.
Once they are operating the BBC etc can demonstrate in court that they are restricting programming to the UK only and thus add to its arguements regarding the re broadcasters who at the moment in defence can say that reception of BBC etc is not restricted and is in the public domain.

Saxy Mar 25th 2013 1:57 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10622613)
We were all" guessing" about the loss of UKTV whn the new Astra sats were launched but its going to happen.
Once they are operating the BBC etc can demonstrate in court that they are restricting programming to the UK only and thus add to its arguements regarding the re broadcasters who at the moment in defence can say that reception of BBC etc is not restricted and is in the public domain.

TVCatchup restrict membership to the UK only!

EMR Mar 25th 2013 2:14 am

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So if you are able to watch it in Spain you are infringing their terms and conditions and they are not restricting usage to the UK.
A lawyer acting for the main broadcasters could take action against them for not restricting viewing to the UK as part of their case.
The re broadcasters are leaving themselves wide open to legal action.

Domino Mar 25th 2013 2:15 am

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Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 10622685)
TVCatchup restrict membership to the UK only!

I have tried, honestly, but I cannot find an Alicante in the UK, only in Spain.

and as I said above

The service is only accessible in the United Kingdom and the website has stringent monitoring facilities that they use to detect and block multiple accesses from the same IP address as well as proxy and VPN access.
perhaps the young techy peeps should put down their Internet for Beginners and do what they are supposed to be doing

Domino Mar 25th 2013 2:29 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10622712)
So if you are able to watch it in Spain you are infringing their terms and conditions and they are not restricting usage to the UK.
A lawyer acting for the main broadcasters could take action against them for not restricting viewing to the UK as part of their case.
The re broadcasters are leaving themselves wide open to legal action.

I posted in another thread the relevent UK reference in the Wireless Telegraphy Act 1949 which with amendments initially covers wireless transmissions and reception, which can be stretched to cover satellite because that is an EMF transmission/reception as are LW/MW/SW/FM/UHF etc. Over the years it was further updated to include the transmission over wires (presumably stretched to cover metal and fibre construction.) (thereby covering things like fax (which is a cable product) and also the internet)
Within that law it is illegal (breaking of a law) to listen to and act on transmissions that are not intended for you and on which you may or do take action (any) on.

The general legal interpretation is that if you are in Spain and take access to "transmissions" in the UK then you are breaking the law of the country where the act (the taking of) occurs.
So it may well be legal in Spain, but still illegal in the UK which is where the taking was carried out.
So, if you use a VPN located in the UK or you use an IP blocker you are still accessing a service only intended for the UK and by default breaching the WTA, before anything else..
Just hope that you aren't doing anything that grounds in the good old US of A - they have draconian laws far in excess of those in the UK covering these matters. IIRC the initial basis is what they call Wire Fraud, a Federal offence covering the use of any telephone or similar method for defrauding a company or the government.

And before you ask, I know Fred James asked the question, and I am trying to find a relevent reference in the Spanish legal system and especially a law equivalent to the WTA.

Saxy Mar 25th 2013 2:41 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10622712)
So if you are able to watch it in Spain you are infringing their terms and conditions and they are not restricting usage to the UK.
A lawyer acting for the main broadcasters could take action against them for not restricting viewing to the UK as part of their case.
The re broadcasters are leaving themselves wide open to legal action.

Try using TVCatchup outside the UK and you will find that you will receive a "not available in your back yard" type of message! It is geo. blocked!!!

Saxy Mar 25th 2013 2:52 am

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Originally Posted by Domino (Post 10622715)
I have tried, honestly, but I cannot find an Alicante in the UK, only in Spain.

and as I said above


perhaps the young techy peeps should put down their Internet for Beginners and do what they are supposed to be doing

So what is your point? Alicante has nothing to do with the subject of TVCatchup and the ECJ ruling. Why are you going on about it?????

I think you've lost the plot!

Domino Mar 25th 2013 3:01 am

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Originally Posted by Saxy (Post 10622777)
So what is your point? Alicante has nothing to do with the subject of TVCatchup and the ECJ ruling. Why are you going on about it?????

I think you've lost the plot!

I haven't bought it yet, then I will have an aerial farm to beat all, and take out the water bowser every morning to hose down and improve the earth connections.

Lets see, Poster in Alicante, (thats Spain, not UK), claims to use TVCatchup, which is a UK geo-restricted "station"

and I am not sure that company has a problem with the ECJ rulings, it even took itself off the internet for a number of months to protect itself and its principles IP rights and to ensure it was operating legally. Their problem is that unscrupulous people will take their "transmission" and rebroadcast it.

mind you , it is easy to claim that others have lost the plot when you are about to lose the whole discussion
:rofl:

EMR Mar 25th 2013 3:04 am

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So why do you keep promoting " catch up tv " if you cannot receive it. Unless of course it is being watched on a proxy internet address that " suggests " the viewer is in the UK when they are not ?

Domino Mar 25th 2013 3:55 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10622797)
So why do you keep promoting " catch up tv " if you cannot receive it. Unless of course it is being watched on a proxy internet address that " suggests " the viewer is in the UK when they are not ?

oh come on, Saxy is so squeeky clean he wouldn't even think about such a thing, but if he did he would call it legal just to keep the guys and gals down the bowls club happy.

:rofl:

Saxy Mar 25th 2013 3:58 am

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Originally Posted by EMR (Post 10622797)
So why do you keep promoting " catch up tv " if you cannot receive it. Unless of course it is being watched on a proxy internet address that " suggests " the viewer is in the UK when they are not ?

Because online viewing is the way that I and quite a few others watch TV. Some of us use 'Live & Recorded Transmission' programs that are outside of the UK (Europa, FilmOn, LOVEFiLM, NETFLIX etc.). FilmOn does however have offices in the UK, and that I presume is why they have reduced the number of channels available at the moment.
These programs will probably continue to be transmitted until the lawyers have sorted out the legal situation. Until then, if and when they go, we will KEEEEP WATCHIN' and BOWLING.

Oh I nearly forgot, and 'SAXIN'

scrubbedexpat095 Mar 25th 2013 4:13 am

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The thing I don't understand about all this hoohaw about watching UK TV here in Spain is WHY do people attach so much importance to watching UK TV anyway. OK I know most Spanish channels/programs are really not very good i.e crap (apart from La 2 IMO) and spend hours bombarding you with adverts but when all is said and done why is TV so important to people?

Rosemary Mar 25th 2013 4:16 am

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Originally Posted by mfh (Post 10622931)
The thing I don't understand about all this hoohaw about watching UK TV here in Spain is WHY do people attach so much importance to watching UK TV anyway. OK I know most Spanish channels/programs are really not very good i.e crap (apart from La 2 IMO) and spend hours bombarding you with adverts but when all is said and done why is TV so important to people?

I personal prefer to read my books.

Rosemary

scrubbedexpat095 Mar 25th 2013 4:19 am

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Originally Posted by Rosemary (Post 10622941)
I personally prefer to read my books.

Rosemary

Ah a person after my own heart :-)

Domino Mar 25th 2013 4:24 am

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having visited Netflix just, they say

Sorry, Netflix is not available in your country yet.
but then I don't use a VPN or IP Blocker
:)


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