How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
#16
Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
I know that I'm showing my ignorance here and also being too lazy to find out for myself but would someone be kind and explain the history of how Spain and Portugal came to speak different languages and why Portugal appeared to end up being less well off when they were both once great colonising nations?
Do the people who live on either side of the border get on generally - do they intermarry etc?
Do the people who live on either side of the border get on generally - do they intermarry etc?
Portugal won and so gained full independance.
Catalonia lost,otherwise they'd likely now be a completely seperate fully independant country.
#17
Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
I'm no expert on history,but I believe both Portugal and Catalonia fought against Spain/Castilla for independance around about the same time.
Portugal won and so gained full independance.
Catalonia lost,otherwise they'd likely now be a completely seperate fully independant country.
Portugal won and so gained full independance.
Catalonia lost,otherwise they'd likely now be a completely seperate fully independant country.
#18
Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Catalonia
Take your point,I was simply meaning independant or free of Spanish rule.
Take your point,I was simply meaning independant or free of Spanish rule.
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#19
Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
For an extended period, Catalonia, as part of the former Kingdom of Aragon, continued to retain its own usages and laws, but these gradually eroded in the course of the transition from feudalism to a modern state, fueled by the kings' struggle to have more centralized territories. Over the next few centuries, Catalonia was generally on the losing side of a series of local conflicts that led steadily to more centralization of power in Spain, like the Reapers' War (1640–1652). In 1652 the Spanish Crown offered the Roussillon territory to the Kingdom of France. Now this territory is the Department of Pyrénées-Orientales, and also is named Northern Catalonia (Catalunya Nord).
The most significant conflict was the War of the Spanish Succession, which began when Charles II of Spain (the last Spanish Habsburg) died without a direct heir in 1700. Catalonia, like the other territories that had formed the Crown of Aragon in the Middle Ages, mostly rose up in support of the Habsburg pretender Charles VI of Valencia Holy Roman Emperor, while the rest of Spain mostly adhered to the French Bourbon claimant, Philip V. Following the fall of Barcelona on 11 September 1714, the "special status" of the territories belonging to the former Crown of Aragon and its institutions was abolished by the Nueva Planta decrees, under which all its lands were incorporated to the Crown of Castile as provinces, within a united Spanish administration, as Spain moved towards a centralised government under the new Bourbon dynasty.
The most significant conflict was the War of the Spanish Succession, which began when Charles II of Spain (the last Spanish Habsburg) died without a direct heir in 1700. Catalonia, like the other territories that had formed the Crown of Aragon in the Middle Ages, mostly rose up in support of the Habsburg pretender Charles VI of Valencia Holy Roman Emperor, while the rest of Spain mostly adhered to the French Bourbon claimant, Philip V. Following the fall of Barcelona on 11 September 1714, the "special status" of the territories belonging to the former Crown of Aragon and its institutions was abolished by the Nueva Planta decrees, under which all its lands were incorporated to the Crown of Castile as provinces, within a united Spanish administration, as Spain moved towards a centralised government under the new Bourbon dynasty.
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Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
The Portuguese DO NOT like the Spanish.
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Then why do so many come over to have a holiday in Isla Canela, Ayamonte, Islantilla ? We´re getting lots of well educated residents from Lisbon, Porto, etc. There must be something good in Spain´s Costa de la Luz or are you talking about football?
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The Portuguese have a bit of an inferiority complex because Spain looks down on them a bit, they have always been poorer, were a dictatorship for longer etc.
And they didnt appreciate speaking Spanish to them at all. They always replied in English
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Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
I have no idea...just telling it like it is.No not football...and no I don't live in the Algarve....I live near Lisbon.
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Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
And tourists go the other way too. We went to Lisbon last year and it seemed all the tourists were Spanish.
The Portuguese have a bit of an inferiority complex because Spain looks down on them a bit, they have always been poorer, were a dictatorship for longer etc.
And they didnt appreciate speaking Spanish to them at all. They always replied in English
The Portuguese have a bit of an inferiority complex because Spain looks down on them a bit, they have always been poorer, were a dictatorship for longer etc.
And they didnt appreciate speaking Spanish to them at all. They always replied in English
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Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
I don't like the Scottish... does that count?
#28
Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
Judging by many postings on various forums, it might appear that the populations of all four UK home countries hate each others guts.
Yet with a few exceptions,(as above, lol), they tend to get on surprisingly well together when needs be, and most of the grudges and differences of opinion are mainly dealt with in a light hearted jovial manner.
Yet with a few exceptions,(as above, lol), they tend to get on surprisingly well together when needs be, and most of the grudges and differences of opinion are mainly dealt with in a light hearted jovial manner.
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Re: How do the Portuguese differ from the Spanish?
And tourists go the other way too. We went to Lisbon last year and it seemed all the tourists were Spanish.
The Portuguese have a bit of an inferiority complex because Spain looks down on them a bit, they have always been poorer, were a dictatorship for longer etc.
And they didnt appreciate speaking Spanish to them at all. They always replied in English
The Portuguese have a bit of an inferiority complex because Spain looks down on them a bit, they have always been poorer, were a dictatorship for longer etc.
And they didnt appreciate speaking Spanish to them at all. They always replied in English
Doesn´t matter, it´s a silly thread any way. Next thread: "How do New Zeelanders differ from the Australians?"