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savateur Jul 4th 2009 3:25 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by Tele Addict (Post 7723435)
I believe in justice. Whatever this individual did, it would not be justice to convict him of an offence he did not commit, such as murder.

You have edited what I said to try to make it fit your argument.

You can't have your cake and eat it. If he was "unable to drive around" he obviously didn't "decide to drive over the victim".

How ever disgusted you are may be by this individual's actions those actions occurred after this situation was thrust upon him. I doubt the guy ever had a cognitive thought that if I do X then Y will happen.

Haven't edited anything, all I did was get the Murder and Manslaughter the wrong way round.

Clearly, he made the desicion to drive over the victim, he was in control of the vehicle, IT WAS HIS CHOICE !

You dont just decide to drive over a body in the road !

Thrust upon him my arse !

Is it ok then to run over injured teenager's then if the situation is "thrust upon", you f**king idiot !!!

dunmovin Jul 4th 2009 3:28 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 
Today,I read in one paper, an eyewitness said the driver stopped briefly after driving over the teenager, then sped off.
not sure if it against the forum rules to name the paper this was reported in

jdr Jul 4th 2009 3:33 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by dunmovin (Post 7723551)
Today,I read in one paper, an eyewitness said the driver stopped briefly after driving over the teenager, then sped off.
not sure if it against the forum rules to name the paper this was reported in

If the story is on the web just post a link to it.

dunmovin Jul 4th 2009 3:38 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7723565)
If the story is on the web just post a link to it.

sorry web version is much shorter than the printed version. Here is the link anyway http://www.costa-news.com/index.php?...=3126&Itemid=1

for those interested you can get the printed version the reference to the eyewitness is on page 3

Tele Addict Jul 4th 2009 4:33 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 7723447)
yes he did. You speak as though you think there were only 2 options, driving round or driving over. He could have stopped. If he couldn't drive round the victim, and leave an injured or dead person on the road, he could have chosen to stop. He chose to drive over.

There weren't three options, or two, only one. The victim was thrown into the path of this guy's car. The only correct option he had was stop after his car had collected the victim.

Originally Posted by rachelk (Post 7723447)
What would you have done?

Ad hominem.

rachelk Jul 4th 2009 4:43 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by Tele Addict (Post 7723683)
There weren't three options, or two, only one. The victim was thrown into the path of this guy's car. The only correct option he had was stop after his car had collected the victim.Ad hominem.

Which he didn't do. he drove on and killed him.



(there are apparent contradictions here. Didn't one report say the driver claimed he thought it was a dog? yet if the victim was thrown under his car, then he must have seen that it wasn't a dog, coming off a moto? )

Tele Addict Jul 4th 2009 5:55 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by savateur (Post 7723544)
Clearly, he made the desicion to drive over the victim, he was in control of the vehicle, IT WAS HIS CHOICE !

You dont just decide to drive over a body in the road !

Thrust upon him my arse !

Is it ok then to run over injured teenager's then if the situation is "thrust upon", you f**king idiot !!!

Have you never had something thrown into your path while driving? At 50mph you are travelling a 75 feet a second. If something enters your path 50 feet in front of you there is not even enough time to process the information before driving over the object.

Veleta Jul 4th 2009 6:11 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by savateur (Post 7723544)
Haven't edited anything, all I did was get the Murder and Manslaughter the wrong way round.

Clearly, he made the desicion to drive over the victim, he was in control of the vehicle, IT WAS HIS CHOICE !

You dont just decide to drive over a body in the road !

Thrust upon him my arse !

Is it ok then to run over injured teenager's then if the situation is "thrust upon", you f**king idiot !!!

Where on earth did you get that info from??? I haven't read anywhere so far that the guy actually DECIDED to drive over the kid. I've only read the opposite....ie, he tried to avoid running over the kid, but failed.

jdr Jul 4th 2009 9:53 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 7723800)
Where on earth did you get that info from??? I haven't read anywhere so far that the guy actually DECIDED to drive over the kid. I've only read the opposite....ie, he tried to avoid running over the kid, but failed.

Well then, he should of stopped when he realized what he had done instead of dragging the kid for two klms and to his ultimate death, which probably may of been averted if he had stopped.

Tele Addict Jul 4th 2009 10:03 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7724109)
Well then, he should of stopped when he realized what he had done

No one is disputing that.

Veleta Jul 4th 2009 11:09 am

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by jdr (Post 7724109)
Well then, he should of stopped when he realized what he had done instead of dragging the kid for two klms and to his ultimate death, which probably may of been averted if he had stopped.

Yes, we know that. In fact I believe it is reported that his death WOULD HAVE been averted if the driver had stopped at the scene.

My comment to Savateur was in relation to the fact that he reports that the driver deliberately aimed his vehicle and drove over the kid, whereas in the reports I had read it stated the opposite...ie, the driver tried to avoid running the kid over but failed.

dunmovin Jul 4th 2009 4:47 pm

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 7724191)
Yes, we know that. In fact I believe it is reported that his death WOULD HAVE been averted if the driver had stopped at the scene.

My comment to Savateur was in relation to the fact that he reports that the driver deliberately aimed his vehicle and drove over the kid, whereas in the reports I had read it stated the opposite...ie, the driver tried to avoid running the kid over but failed.

are we all agreed that the actions of this man caused the death of the young man. and are we all agreed that driving for 2 km after he hit him, without stopping or trying to render help to a fellow human, then leaving said human ...is a crime?
and just a thought...would YOU want someone who could do this living near you? where it's possible he could do the same again? You never know if the next person he drives over might be you and you have to suffer the agony of being dragged under a car, feeling the agony of your skin being ripped away..... this person should be taken out of society so he can never do it agin

VFR Jul 4th 2009 7:17 pm

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by dunmovin (Post 7724509)
are we all agreed that the actions of this man caused the death of the young man. and are we all agreed that driving for 2 km after he hit him, without stopping or trying to render help to a fellow human, then leaving said human ...is a crime?
and just a thought...would YOU want someone who could do this living near you? where it's possible he could do the same again? You never know if the next person he drives over might be you and you have to suffer the agony of being dragged under a car, feeling the agony of your skin being ripped away..... this person should be taken out of society so he can never do it agin

Have to agree with the above & this idiot will recive not the slightest sympathy from anyone IMO.
I do not know, but I suspect this cretin was well over the limit, but if he had enough brain still working to head home, he must have also known what he had done.

Brian

Veleta Jul 4th 2009 10:07 pm

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by dunmovin (Post 7724509)
are we all agreed that the actions of this man caused the death of the young man. and are we all agreed that driving for 2 km after he hit him, without stopping or trying to render help to a fellow human, then leaving said human ...is a crime?
and just a thought...would YOU want someone who could do this living near you? where it's possible he could do the same again? You never know if the next person he drives over might be you and you have to suffer the agony of being dragged under a car, feeling the agony of your skin being ripped away..... this person should be taken out of society so he can never do it agin

Yes dunmovn, we are all agreed on your first sentece. The point being discussed was WHICH crime. Some people seem to believe that he has committed murder, however this is not the case as he did not set out from his home that day planning to kill that kid. Manslaughter or "death by dangerous driving" are the more appropriate offences.

As for would we want someone like him living near any of us, I think you would be surprised at how many of us already do. People drive off from the scene of a serious accident and leave the injured party to to suffer/die quite often. It is fairly common place and is often committed by "everyday" kind of people who panic at the scene.....in fact for some reason the very elderly seem to be the frequent culprits!. However a lot of them will reflect on on what they have done and present themselves at a Police Station a few hours later. I'm not saying this is right BTW (before someone alleges I am supporting this behaviour), just saying that driving off from an accident isn't uncommon, and the driver would probably have no way of knowing if the injured party just has a few bruises or if he/she is dead. I'm sure many of us already live very near this "type" of person.

rachelk Jul 4th 2009 10:13 pm

Re: Heartless b*stard
 

Originally Posted by Veleta (Post 7725001)

I think you would be surprised at how many of us already do. People drive off from the scene of a serious accident and leave the injured party to to suffer/die quite often.


That's not what he did,

He dragged the victim under his car, thereby killing him.


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