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Rosemary Aug 27th 2008 12:33 pm

Health and Safety
 
Just had a good laugh at the men putting up the illuminations for the fiesta. One was up a ladder reaching the wires on the third floor of the building. Could not do all of the work needed so his partner wheeled the ladder around the road, in the meantime the man up the ladder was sticking his leg out to hook thick wires.

Rosemary

Rambling Rose Aug 27th 2008 1:20 pm

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Have they actually heard of health & safety in Spain? We've just watched a house getting built on the parcela next door. In 9 months I haven't seen 1 hard hard or any other piece of safety equipment in evidence. The site was left unfenced over weekends, so all the neighbours have had a good look around the new house. None of us fell in the wiring ditches or the hole dug for the swimming pool or electricuted ourselves on the live wires hanging out of the walls. The live wires get left for the new owners unless they pay the builder extra to install light fittings which they have to buy themselves.

Not sure what happens if anyone did have an accident?

Rose

Mitzyboy Aug 27th 2008 1:24 pm

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When our villa was at roof stage (we are built on the side of a hill) they put a series of planks held up by blocks from the road to the roof. There was at least a 20 ft drop at the deep end, and they simply pushed wheelbarrows of cement accross the planks whilst they bounced up and down with the weight

Rambling Rose Aug 27th 2008 1:35 pm

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 6720041)
When our villa was at roof stage (we are built on the side of a hill) they put a series of planks held up by blocks from the road to the roof. There was at least a 20 ft drop at the deep end, and they simply pushed wheelbarrows of cement accross the planks whilst they bounced up and down with the weight

Yep thats how they did ours and next doors. We came out to inspect ours and had a good climb all over the planks one Sunday when no-one was around. I've got the photos to prove it!

Still its awful hot to be wearing safety gear;)

Rose

Mitzyboy Aug 27th 2008 2:02 pm

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Originally Posted by Rambling Rose (Post 6720067)
Yep thats how they did ours and next doors. We came out to inspect ours and had a good climb all over the planks one Sunday when no-one was around. I've got the photos to prove it!

Still its awful hot to be wearing safety gear;)

Rose

When they built our wall one of the builders tripped and rolled down the hill, got taken to hospital

When the neighbour does his gardening he ties himself to his car with thick rope :D

betris Aug 27th 2008 9:09 pm

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Originally Posted by Mitzyboy (Post 6720154)
When they built our wall one of the builders tripped and rolled down the hill, got taken to hospital

When the neighbour does his gardening he ties himself to his car with thick rope :D

yes but they are starting to get tough with the safety regs on the sites and if the inspector comes they are in big trouble.unless your balancing on a crane 100ft high with a spanner in one hand and a can of san miguel in the other.or fitting the gas mains and testing with a lighter.or discharging a petrol tanker while smoking a cigar.or even sticking a plank out of the window 2 floors up.balancing on it whilst trying to fit the aircon unit to the wall.

I hope no one steels your neigbours car while he is working in the garden

Hillybilly Aug 27th 2008 9:20 pm

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Originally Posted by betris;
I hope no one steels your neigbours car while he is working in the garden

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

jdr Aug 28th 2008 6:21 am

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Originally Posted by Hillybilly (Post 6721626)
:rofl::rofl::rofl:

Ditto

03630 Aug 28th 2008 6:39 am

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Originally Posted by Rambling Rose (Post 6720032)
Have they actually heard of health & safety in Spain? We've just watched a house getting built on the parcela next door. In 9 months I haven't seen 1 hard hard or any other piece of safety equipment in evidence. The site was left unfenced over weekends, so all the neighbours have had a good look around the new house. None of us fell in the wiring ditches or the hole dug for the swimming pool or electricuted ourselves on the live wires hanging out of the walls. The live wires get left for the new owners unless they pay the builder extra to install light fittings which they have to buy themselves.

Not sure what happens if anyone did have an accident?

Rose

I really hope that the H&S brigade never come here. Can you imagine the bull run at Pamplona or Las Fallas done UK style. We would get to watch a film whilst sitting in a foam padded room, wearing a dayglo jacket.

At the same time sensible safety advice such as warning triangles in cars, mandatory in most of europe are steadfastly ignored in Brown's Britain.

jurdyr Aug 28th 2008 6:13 pm

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Health and Safety what that ? your health why drinking and you safety when you drunk
lol

betris Aug 28th 2008 6:36 pm

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well I fell of the ladder today.no damage to myself.but they say when riding a horse or a bike and you fall off,get straight back on.so tomorrow I am going to take this advise and try the second rung.

Cape Blue Aug 29th 2008 12:50 am

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Originally Posted by 03630 (Post 6722742)
I really hope that the H&S brigade never come here. Can you imagine the bull run at Pamplona or Las Fallas done UK style. We would get to watch a film whilst sitting in a foam padded room, wearing a dayglo jacket.

At the same time sensible safety advice such as warning triangles in cars, mandatory in most of europe are steadfastly ignored in Brown's Britain.

Health and Safety controls are always ridiculous, until you are bleaching the blood stains and facing a court case for killing someone, then you wish you'd paid that little bit more attention to them.

Rambling Rose Aug 29th 2008 12:33 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 6726025)
Health and Safety controls are always ridiculous, until you are bleaching the blood stains and facing a court case for killing someone, then you wish you'd paid that little bit more attention to them.

Ah well a friends of mines husband lost his leg (and almost his life through blood loss) in an accident on a building site in the UK. I agree that a lot of the regulations seem a bit over the top and if everyone applied a bit of common sense they wouldn't be necessary. However as another friend of mine used to say 'common sense isn't all that common'. Who isn't inclined to take the 'it will never happen to me' approach and regret it later.

Sadly the UK seems to have adopted a US style 'sue me' approach and if that every comes here I'm sure we'll see a tighting up on safety controls.

Rose

Cape Blue Aug 29th 2008 5:14 pm

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Originally Posted by Rambling Rose (Post 6727519)
Ah well a friends of mines husband lost his leg (and almost his life through blood loss) in an accident on a building site in the UK. I agree that a lot of the regulations seem a bit over the top and if everyone applied a bit of common sense they wouldn't be necessary. However as another friend of mine used to say 'common sense isn't all that common'. Who isn't inclined to take the 'it will never happen to me' approach and regret it later.

Sadly the UK seems to have adopted a US style 'sue me' approach and if that every comes here I'm sure we'll see a tighting up on safety controls.

Rose

Absolutely - safety systems are not designed for normal people with normal common sense, they have to be made for fools who frequently, do the most strange things without thinking of their exposure.

Actually, having worked in relatively heavy industries in both the UK and the US, IMO the UK is years ahead on H&S. Basically the UK (& EU) have a lot more legislation pushing employers into examining various aspects of risk and hazard (prevention), whereas the US tends to have a lot less but is more open to people suing after an accident.

GrapeEater Aug 30th 2008 11:27 am

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 6728411)
Absolutely - safety systems are not designed for normal people with normal common sense, they have to be made for fools who frequently, do the most strange things without thinking of their exposure.

Actually, having worked in relatively heavy industries in both the UK and the US, IMO the UK is years ahead on H&S. Basically the UK (& EU) have a lot more legislation pushing employers into examining various aspects of risk and hazard (prevention), whereas the US tends to have a lot less but is more open to people suing after an accident.

H&S in Spain? Oil and Water come to mind !!!

bil Aug 30th 2008 2:32 pm

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The trouble is, if you extend H&S to its logical conclusion, you couldn't even get out of bed in the mornings without producing a risk assessment.

betris Aug 30th 2008 3:45 pm

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Originally Posted by bil (Post 6731381)
The trouble is, if you extend H&S to its logical conclusion, you couldn't even get out of bed in the mornings without producing a risk assessment.

yes health and saftey is a load of bollocks.last night when it was time for making looove.I had to errect a scaffold to climbe on top of the wardrobe wear a yellow vest and a hard hat,and wear a safty harness.put a safty air bag on the bed.all that happend when i jumped of the top off the wardrobe onto the bed. I bounced and burnt my bum on the light that broke and it was live as well.(240 volts) then the harness rapped around my private parts and I came down sceaming with the pain.

Cape Blue Aug 30th 2008 6:01 pm

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Originally Posted by GrapeEater (Post 6731028)
H&S in Spain? Oil and Water come to mind !!!

I said the EU has a lot more legislation - I didn't say that Spain had enacted any of it :rofl:

Fuzzlepop Aug 31st 2008 10:25 am

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...irs-homes.html

Rosemary Aug 31st 2008 10:30 am

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Originally Posted by Fuzzlepop (Post 6733854)

Hi, how are you and what are you up to nowadays?

Rosemary

Fuzzlepop Aug 31st 2008 10:36 am

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Alrite! I'm living in Elche and have a new job stripping cars for parts, really enjoy it!:cool:

lynnxa Aug 31st 2008 10:42 am

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Originally Posted by Fuzzlepop (Post 6733879)
Alrite! I'm living in Elche and have a new job stripping cars for parts, really enjoy it!:cool:

I was just thinking about you the other day!

jdr Aug 31st 2008 10:55 am

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Originally Posted by Fuzzlepop (Post 6733879)
Alrite! I'm living in Elche and have a new job stripping cars for parts, really enjoy it!:cool:

Glad you are OK, betris will give you some tips on your work. Lol

betris Aug 31st 2008 11:17 am

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Originally Posted by jdr (Post 6733938)
Glad you are OK, betris will give you some tips on your work. Lol

If I disclose the secrets he will be unemployed because he will be binning them faster than they are comming in.

Rosemary Aug 31st 2008 2:22 pm

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Have missed you on here. So glad that things have worked out for you and that you are still enjoying Spain.

Rosemary

helenba Sep 3rd 2008 3:13 pm

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health and safety in england has become a joke ive a small buisness its crazy . puplic liability insurance is going up every year .but ive got to have it .the spanish moto is if you hurt your self its your own fault i like it thats why im selling up and of to almeria. any time soon helen

Rosemary Sep 5th 2008 1:57 pm

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OK so we initially had the man up the tall ladder being pushed around the street last night we had another scene of so called H & S.

Last night our illumination had to be switched off for the correfoc's, so two men from the town hall came along at the last minute, put up a step ladder and switched them off.....perfectly reasonable and safe....agree. However, when the correfoc was over along came a car and mounted the pavement but then moved off again as the men had spotted the green rubbish bin. So they pulled the bin up onto the pavement and stood on that to switch the lights back on.........you think you have seen it all.....but deep down you know you have not!!!!!!

Then again Correfoc and H & S........mmmmmm not sure if they can be in the same post.

Rosemary

Lynn R Sep 9th 2008 3:21 pm

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I read in this week's Sunday Times that an English council had refused to send someone to attend to a blocked drain as they didn't have anyone trained to work in Wellington boots!!!!! I know you shouldn't believe everything you read in the papers, but somehow this has the ring of truth about it.

When I worked as a public sector office manager in England H&S was the bane of my life, unbelievable how much time all the risk assessments, follow-up risk assessments, monthly inspections, evacuation drills, reports on evacuation drills, and so on ad nauseum took up. And all that for an office environment where about the most serious thing that ever happend to anybody was a paper cut.

Thank goodness that culture hasn't reached Spain yet, or I would never get any furniture delivered to my house or building work done, as it can't be accessed by cars or vans. When we ordered new sofas, a man carried a 3 seater sofa up the street balanced on his head and thought nothing of it. Goodness knows what the manual handling gurus back in the UK would have said.

Rosemary Oct 2nd 2008 7:29 am

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We could not believe our eyes a couple of days ago because there was a young man replacing a sheet of roof glass for one of our neighbours and we saw him putting on a body harness. The harness was then attached to the tv ariel pole with rope, this enabled him to lean over from another roof SAFELY.

Also yesterday a scaffold was erected next door to us ready for the house to be re-plastered and low and behold last night the scaffolding had a light on it. The people had used one of the plug in, clip on type of lights but nonetheless it was a light.

Two instances of H & S in one week is just too much to bear.

Rosemary

lynnxa Oct 2nd 2008 7:49 am

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Originally Posted by The Oddities (Post 6837975)
We could not believe our eyes a couple of days ago because there was a young man replacing a sheet of roof glass for one of our neighbours and we saw him putting on a body harness. The harness was then attached to the tv ariel pole with rope, this enabled him to lean over from another roof SAFELY.

Also yesterday a scaffold was erected next door to us ready for the house to be re-plastered and low and behold last night the scaffolding had a light on it. The people had used one of the plug in, clip on type of lights but nonetheless it was a light.

Two instances of H & S in one week is just too much to bear.

Rosemary



I think they've been reading this thread:D

george43 Oct 2nd 2008 9:22 pm

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Well they have stopped the annual "pancake" race at Olney after about 300 years. It seems they are afraid someone might fall over and sue the organisers. :curse:
Also of course the 3 legged race has been banned from school sports as it is considered to dangerous. :thumbdown:
It is like most things in the UK, we always seem to have to take things to the extreme and to hell with common sense.

jurdyr Oct 2nd 2008 9:43 pm

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need a theme park for Adults , No kids so dont bring them are left to play in the car park are the main road :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:


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