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owned Sep 19th 2018 10:56 pm
Have NIE requirements changed?
 
I'm in Gran Canaria right now and will shortly rent a house.

I've just been to the national police station to get an EX 15 form and was told by the immigration staff that when I bring back the completed EX 15 form that I will need my passport with some copies and proof of my address, like a tenancy agreement.

From reading a few websites on how to go about obtaining your NIE number I was aware that you had to have 2 copies of the EX 15 form and your passport copies, but have never heard about needing to show your tenancy agreement. Is this is new requirement or is this just a local Gran Canaria thing.

chrisjolly Sep 19th 2018 11:15 pm
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
As far as proof of address is concerned the answer is no they have always wanted either tenancy agreement or a copy of your escritura.

snikpoh Sep 19th 2018 11:43 pm
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
Originally Posted by chrisjolly (Post 12565554)
As far as proof of address is concerned the answer is no they have always wanted either tenancy agreement or a copy of your escritura.
This is simply NOT correct.

For an NIE (via ex15) , any address in the world can be used - it doesn't even have to be in Spain. You NEVER need to prove this address.

For residency (signing on the list of foreigners) you use form EX18 and must prove that you are living (resident) in Spain

owned Sep 20th 2018 1:32 am
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
I can fill the EX 15 form out and take it to the police station and use my air bnb address. But if they still want to see a tenancy agreement then I'll have to wait another week or so until I have rented a place, which seems the better option.
I don't really want to go to the police station and have an argument with them and tell them they are wrong as its not going to do me any favours for future contact with them.

chrisjolly Sep 20th 2018 1:45 am
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
As far as proof of address is concerned the answer is no they have always wanted either tenancy agreement or a copy of your escritura.

chrisjolly Sep 20th 2018 2:27 am
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 12565580)
This is simply NOT correct.

For an NIE (via ex15) , any address in the world can be used - it doesn't even have to be in Spain. You NEVER need to prove this address.

For residency (signing on the list of foreigners) you use form EX18 and must prove that you are living (resident) in Spain

EU citizens:

  • Passport and copy
  • Proof of address in Spain – your rental contract (in your name) would be sufficient
  • Completed EX-18 form
  • Completed Modelo 790
  • Proof of health insurance – this can be private health insurance or an EHIC card
  • Document* proving why you need a Spanish NIE number, which differs depending on your intentions. In most cases it is:
    • a contract showing that you’re going to buy a property in Spain like real estate, car, etc.
    • employed: job contract from the Spanish company
    • self-employed: a company ownership certificate
    • persons with sufficient funds: proof that you can live in Spain without working
    • students: acceptance letter from the school plus proof of payment to the school
    • job seekers: you can go only with passport, but you will be issued a temporary NIE number valid only for 3 months
  • Enough to pay the NIE fee (€10.71 at the time of writing)

snikpoh Sep 20th 2018 2:51 am
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
Originally Posted by chrisjolly (Post 12565650)
EU citizens:
  • Passport and copy
  • Proof of address in Spain – your rental contract (in your name) would be sufficient
  • Completed EX-18 form
  • Completed Modelo 790
  • Proof of health insurance – this can be private health insurance or an EHIC card
  • Document* proving why you need a Spanish NIE number, which differs depending on your intentions. In most cases it is:
    • a contract showing that you’re going to buy a property in Spain like real estate, car, etc.
    • employed: job contract from the Spanish company
    • self-employed: a company ownership certificate
    • persons with sufficient funds: proof that you can live in Spain without working
    • students: acceptance letter from the school plus proof of payment to the school
    • job seekers: you can go only with passport, but you will be issued a temporary NIE number valid only for 3 months
  • Enough to pay the NIE fee (€10.71 at the time of writing)
Oh dear!

This is not for an NIE but for residency (which may include NIE) - quite different! In fact, the list is very confused between residency and just an NIE

The OP mentioned EX15 not EX18.



Also, don't know where you got that list but it is incorrect as it mentions an EHIC as being valid proof of health care cover which it isn't.

bobd22 Sep 20th 2018 3:30 am
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
I totally agree with Snikpoh, for our NIE we used the address of our estate agent. Residency is different matter all together.

Fred James Sep 20th 2018 4:15 am
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
I totally agree. Needing a tenancy agreement or escritura is complete rubbish. Many people come to Spain to buy a house and need an NIE and clearly are not renting. They are most likely in a hotel for a few weeks. Estate agents and lawyers addresses are frequently used. You can get an NIE in the UK without ever setting foot in Spain.

Rosemary Sep 20th 2018 5:26 am
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
Originally Posted by snikpoh (Post 12565664)
Oh dear!

This is not for an NIE but for residency (which may include NIE) - quite different! In fact, the list is very confused between residency and just an NIE

The OP mentioned EX15 not EX18.



Also, don't know where you got that list but it is incorrect as it mentions an EHIC as being valid proof of health care cover which it isn't.
Unfortunately if you Google NIE the list that Chrisjolly has copied appears on several other forums. So this misinformation multiplies and multiplies.

Rosemary

snikpoh Sep 20th 2018 6:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Rosemary (Post 12565770)
Unfortunately if you Google NIE the list that Chrisjolly has copied appears on several other forums. So this misinformation multiplies and multiplies.

Rosemary
Oh I agree, and it will now come up on this forum.! Obviously they don't come up like this on official sites - everyone be warned.


We have to correct these mistakes wherever we see them.

Lmj2018 Sep 20th 2018 7:52 pm
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
Unfortunately people confuse, NIE, padron and residency.
most of the list is for residency, some applies for padron.
NIE requirements are fairly straightforward

1sexsmith Sep 20th 2018 8:12 pm
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
With the advent of digital translaters this problem is increasing as it makes non Spanish speakers believe they are experts on all aspects of Spanish law culture etc. The problem is that many things are not equal concepts. How problematic it becomes when people talk about council tax and think there is a Spanish equivalent. Or mistake NIE por Nacional insurance nnumbers. From there more errors occur. I like nota simples. Simple note.

owned Sep 20th 2018 8:43 pm
Re: Have NIE requirements changed?
 
Lets's see what happens when I go in with my ex15 soon.

I'll pretend I don't have proof of my address and see what they say. It could have been that the member of immigration staff was confused over what I was applying for, but I did say I want an ex15 form. It could also be that the rules are a bit different around here, but I wouldn't think so. The proof will be in the pudding on this one ha ha.

jonboy Sep 21st 2018 2:26 am
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I guess that when copied lists of information are presented to us it would be helpful if the poster could verify the source, otherwise it could just be wild speculation on the part of the poster. In this case the latter.


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