glad 2 b back

I was thinking the same thing economically the average person is much better off financially in the Uk correct me if I'm wrong but I think the minimum wage in Spain is around 2 pound an hour. Thats if you're lucky enough to get a job or even get paid when working. For those who are moving to Spain to avoid taxes are going to be suprised. The only way to avoid income tax is if you don't work or work illegally. As for council tax my uncles community charges are more than my yearly council tax bill, plus don't forget the yearly tax to the town hall for rubbish collection (the emptying of the street bins)etc. The difference is the community charges are just covering the wages or the caretakers, cleaners etc with the remainder been skimmed off the top by the el presidentes. My council tax is paying for the police, fire services, bin collection, post, street lightning and all the other benefits the council provides. The community charges I pay for my Spanish home are not used for anything (as we don't have cleaners, caretakers or a pool). There is still yearly car tax to pay and don't forget the toll roads (or the fact that you have to pay when changing ownership of a car). I had to pay if I needed medical services even for a child I had to pay for everything dentist, opticians and these did not come cheap. So I would rather earn more pay a tax and be able to see a doctor, dentist, optician when needed. (I know I still have to pay a little bit but not nearly as much). I have my post delivered to my house every morning, my bins collected every week, I even have the luxury of electricty, gas, water (that I can drink), lights in the streets outside, clean pavements and well maintained roads, even a phone line.

As for Gorden Brown raising taxes he has also raised tax credits so those who will pay more will also gain more, if I'm right in thinking its around 175 pounds per annum. He also lowered the higher tax bracket and pledged billions more into the education system. I really can't see the problem with this budget just the Labour government doing yet another job well done.

rugbymatt

So you are OK about a Labour Gov making all those on the lower wage band pay more and recieve less?

Strange they should do that really, Keep the Red Flag Flying I say!


Now where is Framac when you need him most?

Miss Naughty

Right, what has happened to freedom of choice if i want a bloody 4x4 i will have one.
i dont drive like a twat so i am hardly likely to hit someone i do not speed.
If someone walks out in front of me and gets hit, and i am driving maybe people need to learn how to cross the road better.

I should not be made to pay more tax because i have a bigger engine or a bigger car.

glad 2 b back

Er hello did you not read what I wrote? he also raised tax credits and for the record I am one of those low wage earners! For now anyway.

glad 2 b back

Does that include children who carelesly walk out in front of cars?

Miss Naughty

yes because they should not walk out carelessly, does no-one teach the green cross code anymore.
As i have said i do not speed, any child getting hit by a standard car is going to give them injurys.
If i was told to stop driving my 4x4 and millions of others who have 4x4s who will pay the shortfall of the revenue made by us 4xx4 drivers?

rugbymatt

You are absolutely right, he did, but if you are unmarried and childless then your left on the pile.
I am not in that tax bracket, but it doesnt stop me getting worked up over the sheer hypocrisy of a Socialist gov doing such a thing!

Couple that with a drop in corporation tax, an increase in the tax on fuel, something that working class people NEED to work! and you have a royal mess!

He made 40 overall tax RISES!

He could give absolutely nothing away in this Budget, there is no more to give away, it was a budget to win votes, why would he leave the income tax cut till last?

Dont get me wrong, they have done some good in the last 10 years, but to be constantly told that "since '97 we are all better off" is crap!
They inherited an economy on the upturn, they promised to rid politics of sleaze, they made wild claims that they would cut crime, and raise the poorest out of poverty, save a failing health service.
All of which have failed, and the gap between the rich and the poor is bigger now than at almost any time in our recent history!

chrisw

Yeah, right! We shouldn't need tax credits for people on lower income who work. They should abolish income tax under a RAISED lower threshold and allow people the dignity of not HAVING to claim benefit. As for pensioners, they too are taxed, he, the "Almighty Gordon" gives pensioners a raise in pension, they skims it back of the other end as unearned income. Lets not forget that pensioner's earnings had ALREADY been taxed at source, and then taxed again if, God forbid you should you should have had the forthought to have paid into private pension, looking after yourr old age, which should pevent you from having to claim pension credits. But NO apparenly it is unearned income? That's fair taxation is it?
VAT = Aalue Added Tax, a LUXURY tax (incidentally, introduced by a Labour Government!) which is now on fuel Bills. Hmmmm. Would you call heating and lighting a LUXURY?
As far as the Government doing a good job, did you listen to the ENTIRE budget? Or just cherry pick the bits they wanted you to concentrate on. Anyone under an income of £17,000k will be WORSE off under this budget! And despite an increase in taxation income revenue, the "Government" is having to borrow yet MORE money! I rest my case!

Miss Naughty

revenue made by car owners 84 billion a year money spent on our roads roughly 24 million a year xxxx

rugbymatt

Look G2bb I'm not having a go at you but I am sick to death of 4x4's being the scourge of society.

The statistics bellow show that pedestrian deaths are at a 40 year low, yet 4x4 sales are soaring!

Where is the connection?
I dont doubt that they COULD injure a child more, but they dont.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nug...ank=2&Rank=224

Mitzyboy

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you are the person who told me time and time again that you paid more for groceries in Spain than you did in the UK and that Spain was more expensive to eat than the UK. Based on that statement, and as you were in a rural location far from the high prices of the main cities, I had to draw the conclusion that your arguement in general was flawed as I for one spend 30% less on groceries alone in Spain and overall enjoy a much lower cost of living than in the uk. I appreciate of course that I don't have to work. My Council tax in the UK £1,600 per annum. In Spain 200 euros a year (my bins get emptied every night). Yes, I pay for prescriptions, but I asm covered under the state system for health cover if I want it. My road tax in the UK now £400, my tax here around 150 euros.

I was pleased to see that the latest tax changes in Spain were aimed at the average wage earner, around 13000 euros a year. Such a wage earner in Spain, which covers many ex pat pensioners, pay NO tax. I use tolls if I want to, its my choice but I don't have to. However Mr Brown gave me little choice with his stealth taxes. All the pundits in the UK state that the budget has actually raised taxes for low wage earners, and actually only breaks even at £18k. I don't pay community charges here. I made sure there were not any before I committed to purchase (as did I about an electricity supply).

I have a nice smooth road outside, street lights, water I can drink, a phone line and pleasant neighbours I can speak to!

Your 4 x 4 arguement, to me, just doesn't make sense, as does the general arguement about green taxes on flights. We'd better investigate how we can Tax China & US emissions, that would make a difference

I know you had some bad experiences here, and I know I have had this discussion with you so many times before, but your experiences are not the experiences of all people that come here. I know you had an educational nightmare with your kids, but I know of no end of kids who love it over here and never want to go back. I have no idea why the cost of living in (Coin?) was so expensive, it will always be a mystery to be. You have every right to express your opinions on here of course, but as before why turn everything into a complete downer on Spain.

chrisw

Hi Rugbymatt! At last some statistics! Good on yer!

rugbymatt

Some more links here.

http://www.smmt.co.uk/news/DetailedA...TOKEN=99447893


and taken from the ABD website.


SAFETY — 4x4s are inherently safer vehicles than normal cars and so cost less to insure — increasingly they are packed with technology that makes them even safer
All types of car will have to meet the same stringent pedestrian impact tests (new models from 2006, all cars from 2011). The Honda CR-V (the second best selling 4x4 in the UK) already achieves the top rated NCAP 3 star rating for pedestrian safety
DfT and Government Office statistics show that buses are bigger killers of pedestrians (per km driven) than all cars, and that Light Commercials typified by the Ford Transit, which have similar dimensions and driving positions to 4x4s, are actually the safest group of vehicles on the road in terms of pedestrian deaths and injuries.
Arguments about weight in car to car impacts could equally apply to all cars — a new VW Golf GTI weighs twice as much as the 1970's original, largely due to better crash performance and increased safety features.
4 wheel drive makes cars safer in poor road conditions, and the higher driving position of SUVs gives a better view of the road ahead, which is the most crucial accident avoidance measure of all
Most of the more expensive 4x4s are now fitted with parking sensors that aid manoeuvring in tight spaces, reducing the risk of hitting low objects ­ like children — close to the vehicle
4x4s typically have lower insurance groupings than similarly priced saloons indicating a better safety record.


Link bellow.
http://www.abd.org.uk/4x4.htm

glad 2 b back

Miztyboy remove my real name from your post.

As for your argument same old same old your still using the same line that I have a downer on Spain, wtf has me being agaisnt 4x4s and not being completely disaproving of the Uks budget got to do with me not not liking spain very much? just because I pointed out the fact that moving abroad doesnt mean that you are escaping taxes... People who work have to pay taxes thats the way the cookie crumbles.
As for the cost of living I didnt say time and time again as you put it that the cost of living in the uk is cheaper, your mate kevray uploaded his shopping list and asked for the comparison I worked out the food like for like and tescos worked out cheaper..is that my fault no.
As for the community charges I knew you would come back with the old rsearch line line..well when I bought my property there was no community or charge , there was no electricty but we were told there was and didnt find out until it was too late. We used a solicitor was corrupt yes big mistake but people do make them as well you know. When we finally did get our electricty the el presidentes decided they could sqeeze us a bit more and invented the new community and told us that if we didnt cough up they would disconnect our electricty and water now what position were we in then? I'm glad your mates kids are getting on well as I wouldnt wish what my daughter had inflicted on her on any other child. As for your doctor I'm really glad you finnally found one that speaks english as I gather you had a few problems were that was concerned. Oh and how many months did you wait for your phoneline to be connected? or was it just the internet you had a problem with?

Mitzyboy

Sorry, quite normal to use real names on here in friendship ... removed as requested.
You mentioned about better off in the UK than Spain, so I replied
Two weeks for a phone line
One week or so after for the internet
No I had no problem as such with a doctor, just decided to take out private health cover until we have enough Spanish to communicate better.