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Good news for holiday makers and law abiding landlords >>>"Andalusia is clamping down on rogue holiday lets with the introduction of steep fines as part of its new crackdown measures.

Under the soon-to-be enforced Sustainable Tourism Law, which was given the nod this Tuesday (February 18), "unregulated" apartments could be slapped with penalties up to a whopping 600,000 euros (£496,700). Inspection measures will also be improved, utilising the latest technology and data.

Less egregious breaches will attract fines ranging between 2,000 euros (£1,656) and 100,000 euros (£82,780), but the most serious violations might see owners cough up to £496,700, reports The Olive Press. What's more, local councils are poised to gain powers to green-light or block the use of private properties as tourist accommodations."
Spanish region loved by Brits to enforce £497k fines in new tourism crackdown
 
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Just end the practice and ban holiday lets completely. That's what hotels are for. Good riddance...
 
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Originally Posted by astera
Just end the practice and ban holiday lets completely. That's what hotels are for. Good riddance...
Sure, let hotels triple their prices and new era of rip-off begins.
However, it would be dead easy to enforce fix rent price per sq/m.
 
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Sure, let hotels triple their prices and new era of rip-off begins.
Not at all, triple prices and get zero reservations. I hope they don't follow your lead...

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However, it would be dead easy to enforce fix rent price per sq/m.
Oh, so the gov't should enforce fixed pricing on all holiday lets?
 
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As I see it, the issue is unregulated holiday rentals where the owner does not register.
 
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Originally Posted by astera
Not at all, triple prices and get zero reservations. I hope they don't follow your lead...



Oh, so the gov't should enforce fixed pricing on all holiday lets?
Nothing to do with gov. Local town hall could easily enforce local rental pricing with fix price per sq/m.
Price could be adjusted down to local needs/demands. Simples.
 
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Originally Posted by EU.flag
enforce local rental pricing with fix price per sq/m.
Too many factors. Location? Views? New vs old building? Newly-renovated vs in need of renovation?
 
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Originally Posted by astera
Too many factors. Location? Views? New vs old building? Newly-renovated vs in need of renovation?
For a rental property? Many countries have minimum requirements for rentals, ie. insulation, electricity rating, location of entrance, ... price per sq meter limit would be easy...
 
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price per sq meter limit would be easy...
An upper limit, yes, but he mentioned a fixed price per m2 which I just don't see as a feasible option.
 
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A fixed price would surely always be a compromise. Wouldn't that end up with old crappy ones getting more than they are worth and shiny new ones getting the other end of the stick. Eventually all you'd be left with are the mid-range and crap ones being available unless the owners of new ones would lower their standards/expectations.
 
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"However, it would be dead easy to enforce fix rent price per sq/m."
"Local town hall could easily enforce local rental pricing with fix price per sq/m."


If that is a justification of a fixed rent per m^2 I'm somewhat confused. That is a rent cap, no?
There is a difference between having a fixed rent and having a cap that you can't go above - as astera commented.
The article states a variable rent per sq m, not fixed - "...are between €3.92 and €9.80 per square metre, depending on the quality of the flat and what fittings it comes with."

E.g. I have a 100 sq m apartment and rent is fixed at 100 x X Euros/sq m and is the same for anyone's 100sq m apartment - as opposed to I have a 100 sq m apartment and I can charge whatever I want as long as it is no more than Y.
 
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The article is from 2020. Berlin's rental cap (Mietendeckel) was declared unconstitutional in 2021 and treated as if it never became law. People ended up having to give money back to landlords...
 
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I'd agree and everything sounds easy on paper but reality is very different. Even if they have the same sq/m you can't compare a house with garden vs an apartment without a balcony, then what about parking, finishings and so on. Location all plays a part and you might actually end up with fewer nice rentals, it still wouldn't create more supply, let alone make it affordable for those who currently struggle.


 
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Personally I would mainly do two things, ban short-term/vacation rentals in residential properties (exactly what Singapore did) and sharply ramp up taxes on multiple property ownership. Essentially my goal would be to protect the residential property market as a vital commodity and dissuade those who want to use it as an investment vehicle.
 

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