Gift tax
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Gift tax
Hello,
if I receive a gift in the form of a bank transfer from a family member abroad, am I liable to the Spanish gift tax? I tried to read the law but it's a bit "taxing".
thank you.
if I receive a gift in the form of a bank transfer from a family member abroad, am I liable to the Spanish gift tax? I tried to read the law but it's a bit "taxing".
thank you.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by DrStarsky
Hello,
if I receive a gift in the form of a bank transfer from a family member abroad, am I liable to the Spanish gift tax? I tried to read the law but it's a bit "taxing".
thank you.
if I receive a gift in the form of a bank transfer from a family member abroad, am I liable to the Spanish gift tax? I tried to read the law but it's a bit "taxing".
thank you.
The biggest worry was for my mother in the UK who was the person sending the gift as she told me that she can officially only send something liike 3000 pounds a year without being taxed. She sent a bit more than this amount but neither of us have been taxed on it.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by keithwalters
I don't know the answer to the question, but I have received gifts in the form of money without being taxed here. I didn't declare it of course.
The biggest worry was for my mother in the UK who was the person sending the gift as she told me that she can officially only send something liike 3000 pounds a year without being taxed. She sent a bit more than this amount but neither of us have been taxed on it.
The biggest worry was for my mother in the UK who was the person sending the gift as she told me that she can officially only send something liike 3000 pounds a year without being taxed. She sent a bit more than this amount but neither of us have been taxed on it.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by keithwalters
I don't know the answer to the question, but I have received gifts in the form of money without being taxed here. I didn't declare it of course.
The biggest worry was for my mother in the UK who was the person sending the gift as she told me that she can officially only send something liike 3000 pounds a year without being taxed. She sent a bit more than this amount but neither of us have been taxed on it.
The biggest worry was for my mother in the UK who was the person sending the gift as she told me that she can officially only send something liike 3000 pounds a year without being taxed. She sent a bit more than this amount but neither of us have been taxed on it.
#5
Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by Agnes
The £3.000 gift allowance refers to UK Inheritance Tax. Each person has an annual allowance of £3,000 per annum, if you have not used the allowance for the previous year you can carry forward for 1 year. Any amount above the £3,000 limit, up to seven years before death, is added back into the estate and reduces the Inheritance Tax threshold. Should your mother live for the seven years after giving you the money it will not be included in her estate. Each person domiciled in the UK can also gift £250 to as many people as they like, no limit. As for Spanish tax on gifts I don't know
So if I understand it correctly, my mother can send what ever amount she wants to me, tax free, PROVIDED she lives for another 7 years after giving the gift. Should she die die beforehand, I would be liable for inheritance tax on any sum over the 3000 pounds per year.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by keithwalters
Yes, that sounds like what my mother was trying to explain to me in her muddle way!
So if I understand it correctly, my mother can send what ever amount she wants to me, tax free, PROVIDED she lives for another 7 years after giving the gift. Should she die die beforehand, I would be liable for inheritance tax on any sum over the 3000 pounds per year.
So if I understand it correctly, my mother can send what ever amount she wants to me, tax free, PROVIDED she lives for another 7 years after giving the gift. Should she die die beforehand, I would be liable for inheritance tax on any sum over the 3000 pounds per year.
Any gift above the £3,000 annual allowance in the previous 7 years, the value will be added back into her estate, and will effectively reduce the Inheritance Tax threshold. the level at which you start to pay IHt at 40%. You will start to pay Inheritance tax at 40% at that new level, i.e the threshold level minus the value of the gifts over the previous seven years. If your mother's estate is below the threshold you will not pay Inheritance tax.
#7
Re: Gift tax
Hi Agnes,
It's a bit more complicated than that. You can make regular gifts of any level if they come out of your regular income and do not reduce the donors normal living standard.
Regards,
John.
It's a bit more complicated than that. You can make regular gifts of any level if they come out of your regular income and do not reduce the donors normal living standard.
Regards,
John.
Originally Posted by Agnes
Any gift above the £3,000 annual allowance in the previous 7 years, the value will be added back into her estate, and will effectively reduce the Inheritance Tax threshold. the level at which you start to pay IHt at 40%. You will start to pay Inheritance tax at 40% at that new level, i.e the threshold level minus the value of the gifts over the previous seven years. If your mother's estate is below the threshold you will not pay Inheritance tax.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by John & Kath
Hi Agnes,
It's a bit more complicated than that. You can make regular gifts of any level if they come out of your regular income and do not reduce the donors normal living standard.
Regards,
John.
It's a bit more complicated than that. You can make regular gifts of any level if they come out of your regular income and do not reduce the donors normal living standard.
Regards,
John.
#9
Re: Gift tax
Looking at the Spanish implications of the gift (which was the actual question), if the giver is not a Spanish resident and the assets given were not in Spain then there is no liability for Spanish gift tax.
If the giver was non resident but the money was in a Spanish account then there could be gift tax to pay.
If the giver was resident, then even if the gift was from outside Spain then gift tax would be applied.
If the giver was non resident then there may be gift tax/IHT implications in the givers home country.
The important difference between Spanish and UK IHT is that in the UK the estate pays the tax, in Spain the beneficiary pays the tax. In Spain that creates real problems as you, as the beneficiary, have to pay the tax before you get the asset and you cannot use the asset for security against a loan.
If the giver was non resident but the money was in a Spanish account then there could be gift tax to pay.
If the giver was resident, then even if the gift was from outside Spain then gift tax would be applied.
If the giver was non resident then there may be gift tax/IHT implications in the givers home country.
The important difference between Spanish and UK IHT is that in the UK the estate pays the tax, in Spain the beneficiary pays the tax. In Spain that creates real problems as you, as the beneficiary, have to pay the tax before you get the asset and you cannot use the asset for security against a loan.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by Fred James
Looking at the Spanish implications of the gift (which was the actual question), if the giver is not a Spanish resident and the assets given were not in Spain then there is no liability for Spanish gift tax.
If the giver was non resident but the money was in a Spanish account then there could be gift tax to pay.
If the giver was resident, then even if the gift was from outside Spain then gift tax would be applied.
If the giver was non resident then there may be gift tax/IHT implications in the givers home country.
The important difference between Spanish and UK IHT is that in the UK the estate pays the tax, in Spain the beneficiary pays the tax. In Spain that creates real problems as you, as the beneficiary, have to pay the tax before you get the asset and you cannot use the asset for security against a loan.
If the giver was non resident but the money was in a Spanish account then there could be gift tax to pay.
If the giver was resident, then even if the gift was from outside Spain then gift tax would be applied.
If the giver was non resident then there may be gift tax/IHT implications in the givers home country.
The important difference between Spanish and UK IHT is that in the UK the estate pays the tax, in Spain the beneficiary pays the tax. In Spain that creates real problems as you, as the beneficiary, have to pay the tax before you get the asset and you cannot use the asset for security against a loan.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by Agnes
Fred, In the UK probate is not granted until the IHT is paid, and you have no access to the estate until pobate is granted, therefore the estate cannot be used to pay the tax. Only monies written into a trust can be used before probate is granted.
#12
Re: Gift tax
Hi Agnes,
I think there is now a concession from HMRC that if for instance the major asset was the family home and the only way to move forwards was to realise the asset (sell) in order to pay the IHT bill then the executors are allowed to sell in order to pay IHT and settle the estate.
Regards,
John.
I think there is now a concession from HMRC that if for instance the major asset was the family home and the only way to move forwards was to realise the asset (sell) in order to pay the IHT bill then the executors are allowed to sell in order to pay IHT and settle the estate.
Regards,
John.
Originally Posted by Agnes
Fred, In the UK probate is not granted until the IHT is paid, and you have no access to the estate until pobate is granted, therefore the estate cannot be used to pay the tax. Only monies written into a trust can be used before probate is granted.
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by John & Kath
Hi Agnes,
I think there is now a concession from HMRC that if for instance the major asset was the family home and the only way to move forwards was to realise the asset (sell) in order to pay the IHT bill then the executors are allowed to sell in order to pay IHT and settle the estate.
Regards,
John.
I think there is now a concession from HMRC that if for instance the major asset was the family home and the only way to move forwards was to realise the asset (sell) in order to pay the IHT bill then the executors are allowed to sell in order to pay IHT and settle the estate.
Regards,
John.
Excellent news. I think that it is disgraceful if the major asset is the family home that IHT should be paid at all.
Regards
Agnes
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Re: Gift tax
Originally Posted by Fred James
Looking at the Spanish implications of the gift (which was the actual question), if the giver is not a Spanish resident and the assets given were not in Spain then there is no liability for Spanish gift tax.
If the giver was non resident but the money was in a Spanish account then there could be gift tax to pay.
If the giver was resident, then even if the gift was from outside Spain then gift tax would be applied.
If the giver was non resident then there may be gift tax/IHT implications in the givers home country.
The important difference between Spanish and UK IHT is that in the UK the estate pays the tax, in Spain the beneficiary pays the tax. In Spain that creates real problems as you, as the beneficiary, have to pay the tax before you get the asset and you cannot use the asset for security against a loan.
If the giver was non resident but the money was in a Spanish account then there could be gift tax to pay.
If the giver was resident, then even if the gift was from outside Spain then gift tax would be applied.
If the giver was non resident then there may be gift tax/IHT implications in the givers home country.
The important difference between Spanish and UK IHT is that in the UK the estate pays the tax, in Spain the beneficiary pays the tax. In Spain that creates real problems as you, as the beneficiary, have to pay the tax before you get the asset and you cannot use the asset for security against a loan.
Also, in the country where the money is, the donation would not be subject to inheritance tax as it's below the cap level when inheritance tax kicks in. I can always open an account there and receive the donation there, and then transfer it myself to my spanish account. Would this be preferable perhaps?
#15
Re: Gift tax
I don't think it will make much difference how you transfer the money.
For more details about IHT/Gift tax in Spain look here http://tinyurl.com/hs4jw
For more details about IHT/Gift tax in Spain look here http://tinyurl.com/hs4jw