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dougal03 May 24th 2019 8:28 pm

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How much cash can you legally carry across the border from Gib. into Spain & can it be in either euros or sterling or a mix, anyone know where I can find out?

Fredbargate May 24th 2019 9:15 pm

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Originally Posted by dougal03 (Post 12688812)
How much cash can you legally carry across the border from Gib. into Spain & can it be in either euros or sterling or a mix, anyone know where I can find out?

Not sure dougal.
Some years back in order to deposit or withdraw £1000+ cash with a Gib bank you had to prove identity ( passport or local ID card )
I believe later that was amended to £2000

However I have no idea how much can be taken into Spain

dougal03 May 24th 2019 9:18 pm

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Thanks Fred, will just have to keep trying.Would not like to be stopped by the Guardia telling me I can only try to smuggle in fags or booze!

Fred James May 24th 2019 9:48 pm

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The limit is €10000

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizen...h/index_en.htm

dougal03 May 25th 2019 2:03 am

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Thanks Fred James.I need to to declare a bit more than that to the customs at both sides.Unfortunately the building society ,in the 21st.century,cannot do an International Bank transfer so suggested I do it that way by converting it via an exchange bureau & taking cash across. Will have to try my Spanish Bank to see if they will take a personal cheque in Sterling & then at least it is where I am resident & it will mean I don't have to take a trip south as well.

Fredbargate May 30th 2019 9:42 pm

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50 Years ago yesterday 30th May Gibraltar was given a new constitution under which Gibraltar aquired for the first time full internal self government
This followed the first sovereignty referendum of 10th September 1967 in which the population were asked if they wanted to remain British or pass under control of the Spanish.
The result was 12,182 British 44 Spainish.
This lead to Gibraltar aquiring the new constitution as above and also the closing of the frontier 9 days later by Franco on the 8th of June 1969.
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Fredbargate Jun 3rd 2019 9:41 pm

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How Gibraltarians survived being locked up in 3 square miles of territoryTuesday, June 4, 2019 - 10:11
Fifty years ago this coming Saturday, on the orders of General Franco, Spain closed its land frontier with Gibraltar.
He did so as the culmination of an orchestrated campaign designed to strangle our economy; to bring us to our knees; and to surrender our sovereignty.

There were political consequences as well. Our connections with Spain were completely cut off. The bonds which tied us to the United Kingdom were strengthened.1969 saw the election of the Integration with Britain Party in coalition. These were the first elections under the new Constitution.

There were protests as well. Some of you may recall Spanish pacifist Gonzalo Arias.

JUMPING THE CLOSED GATES

Over the years, he jumped the closed gates from Gibraltar to Spain over twenty times to denounce the injustice of the closure.

How Gibraltarians survived being locked up in 3 square miles of territory | Gibraltar Panorama

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Fredbargate Jun 7th 2019 6:04 pm

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Gibraltar and La Linea commemorate 50 years since Frontier closure

On the 8th of June 1969 Spain's, Francisco Paulino Hermenegildo Teódulo Franco Bahamonde Salgado-Araujo y Pardo de Lama ordered the Spanish side of it's border with Gibraltar to be closed.
This had the immediate effect of throwing thousand of Spanish people who worked in Gibraltar out of work sending the Spanish town of La Linea into poverty from which it today has not fully recovered.
This also caused problems in Gibraltar and set two groups of people who had previously been friendly against each other with again problems that still exist today.
Gibraltar turned to acquiring food and labour from Morocco and the UK.
Although this also had a negative effect on Gibraltar it continued to grow and proper and develop into the international success it is today.

The original Spanish gates of 1969 on display in Gibraltar's John MacKintosh hall

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...17bafee45e.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...9b493fa913.jpg

The gates were to remain closed until 15 th December 1982 when as part of Spain's negotiations to join the Common Market she was forced to re-open them. But at this time only Spaniards, and British residents of Gibraltar were allowed to walk across. No trade or goods of any kind until the 5th February 1985 when what is laughingly call a full opening took place

https://www.gbc.gi/news/gibraltar-and-la-linea-commemorate-50-years-frontier-closure


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Cape Blue Jun 7th 2019 8:32 pm

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Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 12695130)

Gibraltar and La Linea commemorate 50 years since Frontier closure

On the 8th of June 1969 Spain's, Francisco Paulino Hermenegildo Teódulo Franco Bahamonde Salgado-Araujo y Pardo de Lama ordered the Spanish side of it's border with Gibraltar to be closed.
This had the immediate effect of throwing thousand of Spanish people who worked in Gibraltar out of work sending the Spanish town of La Linea into poverty from which it today has not fully recovered.
This also caused problems in Gibraltar and set two groups of people who had previously been friendly against each other with again problems that still exist today.
Gibraltar turned to acquiring food and labour from Morocco and the UK.
Although this also had a negative effect on Gibraltar it continued to grow and proper and develop into the international success it is today.

The original Spanish gates of 1969 on display in Gibraltar's John MacKintosh hall

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...17bafee45e.jpg
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/british...9b493fa913.jpg

The gates were to remain closed until 15 th December 1982 when as part of Spain's negotiations to join the Common Market she was forced to re-open them. But at this time only Spaniards, and British residents of Gibraltar were allowed to walk across. No trade or goods of any kind until the 5th February 1985 when what is laughingly call a full opening took place

https://www.gbc.gi/news/gibraltar-and-la-linea-commemorate-50-years-frontier-closure


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Perhaps the EU should ship them over to Ireland for when they force a border wall there.

Fredbargate Jun 7th 2019 9:42 pm

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Originally Posted by Cape Blue (Post 12695181)
Perhaps the EU should ship them over to Ireland for when they force a border wall there.

Perhaps a more modern and sensible view than shown in the past from a Spanish politician can be aquired in the following link:-

Spain's policy on Gibraltar 'has achieved nothing', La Linea mayor says - Gibraltar Chronicle

Fredbargate Jun 17th 2019 9:31 pm

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The Tax Treaty covering Gibraltar and Spain represents “at the very least” Spanish recognition of the legal existence of Gibraltarian institutions.
But it is also a further display of the incongruity of Spain’s position on Gibraltar
Addressing the C24 as a petitioner on behalf of the SDGG, Mr Matthews said: “Spain cannot be allowed to rely on certain principles when it suits them, as under the treaty because they get their hands on more taxes, but to then disregard the same principles when they do not like them because accepting them defeats their anachronistic and outdated claim.”
Pointing to Spain’s position during the course of the Brexit negotiations, Mr Matthews said Spain “simply cannot be trusted”.
“They used all their political leverage within the European Union to ensure Gibraltar was referred to as a colony in one of the Brexit documents,” Mr Matthews informed the Committee.
“They did this without regard for the difficulties it created to the Brexit negotiation process and ignoring heavy criticism from various Member States.”

Spain cannot be trusted, SDGG tells C24 - Gibraltar Chronicle

http://chronicle.gi/2019/06/spain-no...oaded-history/

http://chronicle.gi/2019/06/spain-re...s-cm-tells-un/

Fredbargate Jun 17th 2019 9:38 pm

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Sunday marked the ninetieth anniversary of an important change in Gibraltar, a decision made and implemented all in less than twenty-four hours. This was the coming into force of the Rule of the Road Ordinance of 1929, passed only the day before by the Governor, Sir Alexander Godley, declaring that traffic would change to driving on the right at five o’clock that morning.

Fredbargate Jun 23rd 2019 11:16 pm

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Boris Johnson, who is poised to be Britain's next Prime Minister, has long been a fervent supporter of Gibraltar and its people - even in the days when he was Foreign Secretary, he would surge forward in defence of Gibraltar putting aside the diplomatic language that was probably expected of him. At the time he was Mayor of London. And he was incensed because the Spanish authorities had decided 'for no good' reason, to revive the frontier harassment more in keeping with the Franco era.He said: "They are causing delay and botheration and they are now threatening a tax on goods vehicles going to the Rock. That is illegal under EU law, and tantamount to a blockade. They must stop it all, and pronto." Years hence, he could not have made his feelings clearer when he told the Spaniards "Gibraltar is not for sale."

Then Foreign Secretary, he declared that the British territory would not be “traded” or “bargained away” during Brexit talks.It followed the surprise decision by EU leaders to mention, in their framework for Brexit talks, a Spanish veto over any future trade deal involving Gibraltar
FULL ARTICLE:-
BORIS JOHNSON: Gibraltar not for sale | Gibraltar Panorama

Fredbargate Jun 26th 2019 11:00 pm

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A little bit of history
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/1408708671/ref=dra_a_ms_hp_ho_xx_P1250_1000?tag=dradisplay0bb-21&ascsubtag=42ba150af7eb32ed8fab2f5730388497_CT

Fredbargate Jun 27th 2019 9:02 pm

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Job anyone?

£92,000 per annum

The UK Government is seeking a new Governor of Gibraltar, with the job advertised externally for the first time.


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