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EMR Jun 1st 2015 9:26 pm

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 11663166)
Nothing in the Olive Press archives?

However Portugal is a Member of FIFA that many people deem as corrupt wereas Gibraltar isn't

With reference to gambling, remember that any match fixing would not take place in Gibraltar.

Really you are not looking very hard.

Just look at the current Olive Press page, click on the Gib link and scroll down.

You will find it , not that anyone is suggesting that match fixing is taking place just that the high level of gambling is causing concerns.

The EU will still exist in 2027 just as will the friendly neighbourly disputes Gib has with Spain.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 1st 2015 9:29 pm

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663099)
Even more reason to be gratefull that Portugal stayed neutral and for the safe haven provided for evacuees from Gibraltar.

Sending 10000 troops to fight the Germans in N.France hardly seems neutral.

Nor does giving the UK use of the Azores to fight the Battle of the Atlantic.

As for Madeira, it was thankfully lining it's own pockets thanks to its new guests, for which the UK as I mentioned had other options anyway.

In truth nobody was truly neutral. Sweden for example provided the Nazi war machine with huge amounts of raw materials to sustain their war effort and also gave them a substantial loan.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 1st 2015 9:34 pm

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663172)
Really you are not looking very hard.

Just look at the current Olive Press page, click on the Gib link and scroll down.

You will find it , not that anyone is suggesting that match fixing is taking place just that the high level of gambling is causing concerns.

The EU will still exist in 2027 just as will the friendly neighbourly disputes Gib has with Spain.

Hmm, so nobody is actually suggesting that match fixing is taking place. :confused:

Fredbargate Jun 1st 2015 9:40 pm

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663172)
Really you are not looking very hard.

Just look at the current Olive Press page, click on the Gib link and scroll down.

You will find it , not that anyone is suggesting that match fixing is taking place just that the high level of gambling is causing concerns.

No such article in my edition of the Olive Press

But what is your take on tax avoidance in Portugal?


Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11662272)
The NHR scheme in Portugal is certainly attracting large numbers of retirees.It is certainly worth investigating .


EMR Jun 2nd 2015 12:33 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11663174)
Sending 10000 troops to fight the Germans in N.France hardly seems neutral.

Volunteers just like those from Ireland, the US etc etc were hardly sent by their Governments

Nor does giving the UK use of the Azores to fight the Battle of the Atlantic.

As for Madeira, it was thankfully lining it's own pockets thanks to its new guests, for which the UK as I mentioned had other options anyway.

In truth nobody was truly neutral. Sweden for example provided the Nazi war machine with huge amounts of raw materials to sustain their war effort and also gave them a substantial loan.

I think you have got the wrong war.

In 1940 when the evacuation took place it was only the UK and its dominions left in the fight.
Portugal did give access to the Allies in the Azores , the alternative would have been a military takeover as was done in Iceland..

EMR Jun 2nd 2015 12:38 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 11663180)
No such article in my edition of the Olive Press

But what is your take on tax avoidance in Portugal?

Not surprised that you cannot find anything that does not paint Gibraltar is a less than rosy light.
http://www.theolivepress.es/spain-ne...-match-fixing/
The NHR scheme is aimed at ordinary people moving to Portugal , buying homes ( on wich they pay tax ) spending their incomes there , again on which they pay tax, IVA up to 23%.
Neither is it a permanent arrangement.
The majority of those qualifying come from France and Scandanavia.
Dodgy corporations do not qualify.

Fredbargate Jun 2nd 2015 2:32 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663099)
With the Fifa scandal in the news I am surprised Fred that you did not report the concern regarding the risks of match fixing because of the very high level of gambling taking place on local matches in Gibraltar. Olive press 25th April.2014

That link is not what you originally posted, it would have helped if you knew what year it was.

Fredbargate Jun 2nd 2015 2:35 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663357)
The NHR scheme is aimed at ordinary people moving to Portugal , buying homes ( on wich they pay tax ) spending their incomes there , again on which they pay tax, IVA up to 23%.

So only Tax dodging for the select.

Are you trying to imply that Portugese residents pay tax whilst Gibraltar residents don't

What about Portugals Golden Visas?

EMR Jun 2nd 2015 3:03 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 11663502)
So only Tax dodging for the select.

Are you trying to imply that Portugese residents pay tax whilst Gibraltar residents don't

What about Portugals Golden Visas?

The select, pensioners ?...
The Golden visa scheme requires a min investment of 500,000 EUROS and I do not think carries any associated tax benefits.
Portuguese residents who pay tax do not keep running to HMG to help sort out their problems with the neighbours.

EMR Jun 2nd 2015 3:05 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 11663498)
That link is not what you originally posted, it would have helped if you knew what year it was.

Yes a typo, so you did manage to find it, quelle suprise !.

Fredbargate Jun 2nd 2015 3:29 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663543)
The select, pensioners ?...
The Golden visa scheme requires a min investment of 500,000 EUROS and I do not think carries any associated tax benefits.
Portuguese residents who pay tax do not keep running to HMG to help sort out their problems with the neighbours.

So it's only tax dodging when it's British, strange

I would not expect Portugese reidents to run to HMG after all you do realise they have their own government ;)

At least the benifits of Gib are universal and not DISCRIMINATING like Portugal a country that is classed as a TAX HAVEN by FSI & OECD


Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663547)
Yes a typo, so you did manage to find it, quelle suprise !.

Surprising how easy it is when someone posts a link instead of repetitive crap.

But we digress away from Gibraltar so time to get back on subject and leave you to your biased Gibraltar bashing which you continue to do so ad nauseum despite contradicting information.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 2nd 2015 3:48 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663351)
I think you have got the wrong war.

In 1940 when the evacuation took place it was only the UK and its dominions left in the fight.
Portugal did give access to the Allies in the Azores , the alternative would have been a military takeover as was done in Iceland..


Neutral powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Main article: Portugal in World War II
Portugal In the case of Portugal, over 10,000 men were sent to battle the Germans in Northern France under the banner of the United Kingdom. The reason for which this occurred was twofold. Firstly, Portugal wanted to continue to maintain its alliance with the United Kingdom as it had for the last six hundred years (that is, supplying troops in times of need and when invaded by a foreign power). The second reason for which Portuguese soldiers fought under the British flag was because Portugal wanted to help Britain without officially removing itself from a state of declared neutrality. However, Portugal continued trading with countries from both sides of the conflict throughout the war. In the second half on the war, it let the Allies use bases in the Azores to fight German submarines.

EMR Jun 2nd 2015 5:35 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly (Post 11663615)
Neutral powers during World War II - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Main article: Portugal in World War II
Portugal In the case of Portugal, over 10,000 men were sent to battle the Germans in Northern France under the banner of the United Kingdom. The reason for which this occurred was twofold. Firstly, Portugal wanted to continue to maintain its alliance with the United Kingdom as it had for the last six hundred years (that is, supplying troops in times of need and when invaded by a foreign power). The second reason for which Portuguese soldiers fought under the British flag was because Portugal wanted to help Britain without officially removing itself from a state of declared neutrality. However, Portugal continued trading with countries from both sides of the conflict throughout the war. In the second half on the war, it let the Allies use bases in the Azores to fight German submarines.

As with the 100,000s thousands of fighters from other nations who came from countries not at war but who fought for the allies.
No doubt there were many Portuguese with conections to the UK who volunteered, or there were those
who opposed fascism.
Are you saying that the right wing regime of Salazar with an ally of Hitler on its doorstep ,an ally that sent tens thousands to fight for Gernany sent a Portuguese military force to fight for the allies ?
I would like to see the evidence of this.Even wikipedia should have a reputable source you can refer to.
The time line also suggests that it was 1944 this happened , it was 1940 when the Allies were not winning that Portugal gave safe haven to those evacuated from Gib.

Fredbargate Jun 2nd 2015 6:36 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 11663737)
it was 1940 when the Allies were not winning that Portugal gave safe haven to those evacuated from Gib.

Instead of evacuated from Gib substitute kicked out of Gib by the UK

Portugal's reason foe accepting the Gibraltarians possibly dates back to the Peninsular Wars or even further.

However we also have to thank Jamaica.

The situation at the end of 1940, therefore, was that approximately 2,000 evacuees were in Jamaica and a lesser number in Madeira, with the bulk of around 10,000 housed in the London area

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evacuation_of_the_Gibraltarian_civilian_population_during_World_War_II
However I do not see what this has to do with Portugal being a TAX HAVEN other than the usual diversionary tactics.

Dick Dasterdly Jun 2nd 2015 6:40 am

Re: Gibraltar 2
 
All I am doing is making you aware of the facts and that this happened in WW2, and NOT in WW1 as you claim.

No doubt as always you prefer to put your own personal interpretation on the information, so please feel free to do so.


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