Originally Posted by Lou71 (Post 13231725)

Fred, as you know, I'm extremely pro Gibraltar and enjoy visiting there but I think you are going to have to compromise on this one. I honestly don't think it matters if Spanish border force controls immigration in Gibraltar airport. Why don't you open the airport on the Spanish side so that people visiting Spain can use that exit and then you can have additional checks (after Schengen clearance) at the Gibraltar exit. There is not enough airport traffic for it to become congested. You cannot realistically expect Gibraltar to be allowed to manage the incoming EES/ETIAS systems when they go live.

The only other option is just leave the border it as it is now. It works well enough with very few delays.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 13231776)

Lou I do not make these decisions I only report the situation.

However there are thousands of Gibraltar residents now unable to cross into Spain.

If I had my way I would treat the Spanish in the same way they treat us.

Then let the Spanish authorities deal with the extra unemployment in the Campo de Gibraltar

Originally Posted by Lou71 (Post 13231786)

I know you don't personally make decisions Fred but Gibraltar is a very small place and don't you have citizens' assemblies where you can make suggestions?

Having crossed the border between Spain and Gibraltar hundreds of times and recently just for fun, I still don't understand what the problem is and why Gibraltarians cannot enter Spain. I just flash my Irish passport card and get waved through. I have seen people in Gibraltar registered cars holding what looks like ID cards out of the window and being waved through. .
What exactly is the problem? Why are they being refused entry into Spain?

By the way, French border officials will be managing the EES and Etias systems at Dover.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 13231851)

Any Gibraltarian I.E. anyone with a red I.D. card can cross into Spain.
Unfortunately all other Gibraltar Residents are refused entry unless they have a passport from an E.U. country.
So someone from London, Derby, Bristol etc will be refused entry into Spain across the frontier at La Linea the only frontier between Gibraltar and Spain.
Wereas Dover is not the only entry point into or out of the EU to UK.
As for what the problem is ask a Spaniard.

Originally Posted by Finknottle (Post 13231870)

Such a simple solution, staring us all in the face, anybody guess what it is?

Originally Posted by Finknottle (Post 13231870)

Such a simple solution, staring us all in the face, anybody guess what it is?

Originally Posted by Lou71 (Post 13231866)

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How does this affect you when you visit Portugal Fred? Do you qualify for a Gibraltarian passport?
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Originally Posted by Lou71 (Post 13231872)

Yep, I've got it, the UK needs to rejoin the single market.

It's going to happen sooner or later so just get on with it and do it now before even more damage is done.

Full EU membership is completely out for many years but rejoining the single market is doable.

Originally Posted by Red Eric (Post 13231873)

Is it become a Gib national?

Originally Posted by Lou71 (Post 13231872)

Yep, I've got it, the UK needs to rejoin the single market.

It's going to happen sooner or later so just get on with it and do it now before even more damage is done.

Full EU membership is completely out for many years but rejoining the single market is doable.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 13231851)

Any Gibraltarian I.E. anyone with a red I.D. card can cross into Spain.
Unfortunately all other Gibraltar Residents are refused entry unless they have a passport from an E.U. country.
So someone from London, Derby, Bristol etc will be refused entry into Spain across the frontier at La Linea the only frontier between Gibraltar and Spain.
Wereas Dover is not the only entry point into or out of the EU to UK.
As for what the problem is ask a Spaniard.

Originally Posted by DLC (Post 13231975)

As been posted above, this started happening in October 2021 when the UK stopped accepting Spanish ID cards so Spain acted reciprocally for British citizens. Also as the port and airport don't follow Schengen rules, Spain has to run checks on the Gibraltar/Spain border. That's all there is to it.

If you want no checks on the border between Spain and Gibraltar then the port and airport have to follow Schengen rules but as Gibraltar is not a Schengen country then Spain and Frontex have to be there.

Originally Posted by Fredbargate (Post 13231987)

I'm happy to have checks but not the total exclusion that is being applied to some sections of the population at the moment.

Originally Posted by DLC (Post 13232041)

Total exclusion? Do you mean no Briton can enter Spain from Gibraltar? Really?