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cricketman Apr 29th 2010 1:21 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by jackytoo (Post 8530327)
Just checked and you cannot take more than 6000 euro out of Spain. I don't think it matters which currency it is in. I remember a report in Sur a couple of years ago where a British man was caught with £10,000 on him at the spanish border. The spanish police confiscated it. I had a hassle with some money once and Gibraltar wouldn't accept it, had to bring it back to Spain:eek: They could open a sterling account at Nat West Gib and pay a couple of thousand per month in and say it is rental income:sneaky:

Why not try one of the currency brokers on the coast?

But why all this lying? I wouldnt say it is rental income. You dont want the tax office coming after you later.

If you dont want the risk of taking it out of the country then as jackytoo said use a currency broker in Spain or open up a sterling account with a Spanish bank

Liquid Len Apr 29th 2010 1:24 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8530358)
But why all this lying? I wouldnt say it is rental income. You dont want the tax office coming after you later.

If you dont want the risk of taking it out of the country then as jackytoo said use a currency broker in Spain or open up a sterling account with a Spanish bank

Cricketman, the problem is he does need to get it back to the UK as he no longer can get to Spain due to ill health.

kay5151 Apr 29th 2010 1:38 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 
money laundering is an offense in both countries, if this was money from a rental, then he should declare it too the spanish tax man... or the uk tax man.. so in fact this money is black money... i would be very careful....

jackytoo Apr 29th 2010 1:39 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 
Yes, good point. Forgot about the tax implications :)

Liquid Len Apr 29th 2010 1:40 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by kay5151 (Post 8530394)
money laundering is an offense in both countries, if this was money from a rental, then he should declare it too the spanish tax man... or the uk tax man.. so in fact this money is black money... i would be very careful....

kay, this is just 30 years of savings, nothing more sinister.

cricketman Apr 29th 2010 1:42 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by Liquid Len (Post 8530367)
Cricketman, the problem is he does need to get it back to the UK as he no longer can get to Spain due to ill health.

Then you or his friend in Spain can open up a sterling account with a bank in Spain, put the money in, then transfer it to his UK account.

Again, if the money has been lawfully accumulated then there is no problem. As long as he trusts his friends!

Liquid Len Apr 29th 2010 1:47 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8530406)
Then you or his friend in Spain can open up a sterling account with a bank in Spain, put the money in, then transfer it to his UK account.

Again, if the money has been lawfully accumulated then there is no problem. As long as he trusts his friends!

Cricketman, you seem sure that a simple explanation of accumulated savings is OK to put on the form? Opening an English account enables sterling to be paid in? Sorry but I have no experience with this which is why I am asking you good folks for advice.

cricketman Apr 29th 2010 1:58 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by Liquid Len (Post 8530421)
Cricketman, you seem sure that a simple explanation of accumulated savings is OK to put on the form? Opening an English account enables sterling to be paid in? Sorry but I have no experience with this which is why I am asking you good folks for advice.

You can put anything you like on the form, noone is going to stop you from paying the money into the account.

As I said before, these forms are to help spot money laundering. Nothing happens on the spot, but the authorities will look at the explanation and your transaction patterns and decide whether they need to investigate you for money laundering.

I cant say whether they will or not, but my educated guess is if they see one transaction under one persons name for accumulated savings for a relatively small amount of 25k, then they are not going to follow up the case. And if the transaction is completely legal then you have nothing to worry about anyway! As they say, you've got more chance of getting run over on the way to the bank :rofl:

Liquid Len Apr 29th 2010 2:01 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8530447)
You can put anything you like on the form, noone is going to stop you from paying the money into the account.

As I said before, these forms are to help spot money laundering. Nothing happens on the spot, but the authorities will look at the explanation and your transaction patterns and decide whether they need to investigate you for money laundering.

I cant say whether they will or not, but my educated guess is if they see one transaction under one persons name for accumulated savings for a relatively small amount of 25k, then they are not going to follow up the case. And if the transaction is completely legal then you have nothing to worry about anyway! As they say, you've got more chance of getting run over on the way to the bank :rofl:


Thanks, you made me laugh.

agoreira Apr 29th 2010 2:23 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 
If you get stopped, any problems, just tell them cricketman said it was OK, they'll wave you straight through!:rofl:

Liquid Len Apr 29th 2010 2:25 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by agoreira (Post 8530514)
If you get stopped, any problems, just tell them cricketman said it was OK, they'll wave you straight through!:rofl:

Thanks, will remember this :lol:

HBG Apr 29th 2010 2:48 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 
Sadly, I think you do need to worry about any form filling nowadays, however innocent your intentions may be. Most forms are fed into computer systems and they all talk to each other and they often get it totally wrong. Computers don't have human traits, like common sense, and the internet is an unforgiving jungle.

I know someone (how else can you say it?) who specialists in advising banks and government departments on their security systems and he has not yet found a totally secure system, and it's not off-topic because what he has found, frequently, is that innocent details are passed around like confetti and when a bank states that transactions under (say) 5K won't be scrutinized, then that simply isn't true.

It seems ridiculous that we are discussing problems about getting £25K (the price of a Mondeo) from Spain to the UK, but that's the society we live in nowadays.

I was going to suggest changing it up with the many money changers in Benidorm, perhaps over a week or so, and then paying the lot into a Spanish bank account, saying that its for a house deposit, they would be happy with that, then changing your mind and transferring the lot to the UK electronically, but there would still be forms to sign. . .

cricketman Apr 29th 2010 3:04 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by HBG (Post 8530589)
Sadly, I think you do need to worry about any form filling nowadays, however innocent your intentions may be. Most forms are fed into computer systems and they all talk to each other and they often get it totally wrong. Computers don't have human traits, like common sense, and the internet is an unforgiving jungle.

I know someone (how else can you say it?) who specialists in advising banks and government departments on their security systems and he has not yet found a totally secure system, and it's not off-topic because what he has found, frequently, is that innocent details are passed around like confetti and when a bank states that transactions under (say) 5K won't be scrutinized, then that simply isn't true.

It seems ridiculous that we are discussing problems about getting £25K (the price of a Mondeo) from Spain to the UK, but that's the society we live in nowadays.

I was going to suggest changing it up with the many money changers in Benidorm, perhaps over a week or so, and then paying the lot into a Spanish bank account, saying that its for a house deposit, they would be happy with that, then changing your mind and transferring the lot to the UK electronically, but there would still be forms to sign. . .


I dont know where you guys get your info from, but really I dont know what you are worrying about. I have transferred similar quantities of money between accounts several times as have other people I know, it was always perfectly legal. If your intentions are good there is no problem! Otherwise how do you think anything ever got done!!

If a computer pulls you up, it will then go to a human to decide whether it is worth following up. Once I had my funds stopped for 40 days while somebody looked at the transaction, but then once they were happy it was legal, they let it pass.

HBG Apr 29th 2010 3:13 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 

Originally Posted by cricketman (Post 8530626)
I dont know where you guys get your info from, but really I dont know what you are worrying about. I have transferred similar quantities of money between accounts several times as have other people I know, it was always perfectly legal. If your intentions are good there is no problem! Otherwise how do you think anything ever got done!!

If a computer pulls you up, it will then go to a human to decide whether it is worth following up. Once I had my funds stopped for 40 days while somebody looked at the transaction, but then once they were happy it was legal, they let it pass.

Some people might not be able to survive for 40 days if their funds were stopped.

jackytoo Apr 29th 2010 3:24 am

Re: Getting stirling from Spain to the UK
 
Between accounts is no problem, it has a paper trail. It is cash that is a problem and the initial opening of a bank account. If it's so easy why do you think all these Mayors were found to have so many euro hanging around the house. When I withdrew 26000 euro from a spanish account last year I was taken into an office and given a Bank of Spain form to fill in. Usual identification stuff NIE etc. One of the questions was "What is the Purpose of this cash withdrawal" I said (correctly) to pay for "work on the house".


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