gas safety checks
Jul 25th 2013 | 1:35 am
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gas safety checks
Can anybody tell us whose responsibillity it is to pay for 5 year gas safety checks, landlord or tennat?
Jul 25th 2013 | 3:39 am
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Jul 25th 2013 | 3:47 am
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Jul 25th 2013 | 3:59 am
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Re: gas safety checks
It is not expensive, I would want it done and would be happy to pay.
Jul 25th 2013 | 4:12 am
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Re: gas safety checks
Although a landlord may be required to pay I think that I would make it my responsibility as it is such an important safety issue.
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Jul 25th 2013 | 6:32 pm
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Re: gas safety checks
as those who rent out a property back home in the UK know, there it is the landlords responsibility and is carried out annually.
if you can get the cost £60 approx to be paid by the tenant is another matter, as such cost helps to keep the tax liability down.
as to Spain, perhaps another matter. How can anyone know that a bird hasn't built a nest in the flue or the inlet?? Was it done when you moved in or did the landlord take pot luck and hope it was OK ??
considering the number of deaths caused by Carbon Monoxide Poisoning, especially in holiday lets, every year, it should be done every year in Spain.
And by an approved gas engineer - but it costs over £2k for equipment and training in the UK, whilst like lots of things here in Spain "anyone" can do it.
Same applies for AC units, they should also be checked and tested. There is no carbon monoxide problem but the smallest pinprick of a leak in the refrigerant gas means it will vent into the atmosphere and you get no (or reduced) cooling meaning it runs inefficiently
someone ought to do it, ask the landlord to cough up and see what happens, but even for a €60 cost - do you want to wake up in the morning DEAD
if you can get the cost £60 approx to be paid by the tenant is another matter, as such cost helps to keep the tax liability down.
as to Spain, perhaps another matter. How can anyone know that a bird hasn't built a nest in the flue or the inlet?? Was it done when you moved in or did the landlord take pot luck and hope it was OK ??
considering the number of deaths caused by Carbon Monoxide Poisoning, especially in holiday lets, every year, it should be done every year in Spain.
And by an approved gas engineer - but it costs over £2k for equipment and training in the UK, whilst like lots of things here in Spain "anyone" can do it.
Same applies for AC units, they should also be checked and tested. There is no carbon monoxide problem but the smallest pinprick of a leak in the refrigerant gas means it will vent into the atmosphere and you get no (or reduced) cooling meaning it runs inefficiently
someone ought to do it, ask the landlord to cough up and see what happens, but even for a €60 cost - do you want to wake up in the morning DEAD
Jul 25th 2013 | 6:41 pm
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Re: gas safety checks
[QUOTE=Domino;10819852] ..... And by an approved gas engineer - but it costs over £2k for equipment and training in the UK, whilst like lots of things here in Spain "anyone" can do it.
QUOTE] Not true
QUOTE] Not true
Jul 25th 2013 | 7:41 pm
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Re: gas safety checks
[QUOTE=missile;10819858]
May I broaden the topic a tad .....
Is it a requirement for every Spanish home, to have an annual/periodic gas safety check? Rented or not.
I understand that some countries have this this rule meaning that in case of a fire, the insurance co can invalidate claims. Alarm bells rang when I read the OP.
Of course we then have to get an approved technician as domino says...
If I was renting out my place, I would assume than any requirement would be my responsibility to ensure it happens = push for and pay for it
Jon
Is it a requirement for every Spanish home, to have an annual/periodic gas safety check? Rented or not.
I understand that some countries have this this rule meaning that in case of a fire, the insurance co can invalidate claims. Alarm bells rang when I read the OP.
Of course we then have to get an approved technician as domino says...
If I was renting out my place, I would assume than any requirement would be my responsibility to ensure it happens = push for and pay for it
Jon
Jul 25th 2013 | 7:57 pm
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Re: gas safety checks
My property is checked annually by a qualified engineer employed by Repsol. Of course we know there are cowboys in Spain just as there are in the UK!!!!! The LL should do it, but if I were a tenant I would arrange it myself. It is not expensive - what price do you put on safety?
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Jul 25th 2013 | 7:58 pm
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Re: gas safety checks
[QUOTE=Jon-Bxl;10819906]
May I broaden the topic a tad .....
Is it a requirement for every Spanish home, to have an annual/periodic gas safety check? Rented or not.
I understand that some countries have this this rule meaning that in case of a fire, the insurance co can invalidate claims. Alarm bells rang when I read the OP.
Of course we then have to get an approved technician as domino says...
If I was renting out my place, I would assume than any requirement would be my responsibility to ensure it happens = push for and pay for it
Jon
A great many Spanish homes don't use gas at all, so no problem for them. If you do use gas, in order to obtain a contract with one of the supply companies (Repsol or Cepsa for butano, not sure of the ones for natural gas where that is available) a technician needs to visit the home to make an inspection and will advise of anything that needs to be done before the company will issue the contract. For example, as I recently mentioned in another thread, we had to have a ventilation grille fitted in a door (we use butano for cooking and heating). He also approved the pipework my OH had put in to run the pipework from the patio where the gas bottles are stored into the kitchen.
Thereafter, the safety check needs to be done every five years. My OH always checks the dates on the tubes and regulators himself and changes them before we have the safety check done (he was a plumber in another life) so we are charged only for the check to certify that they are in place and the applicances operating satisfactorily.
Unfortunately, as with every other kind of regulations, a lot of people think all this is just a waste of time and money and they can just carry on buying second hand gas bottles at car boot sales and picking up refills at the corner shop, no need for any of that safety nonsense.
May I broaden the topic a tad .....
Is it a requirement for every Spanish home, to have an annual/periodic gas safety check? Rented or not.
I understand that some countries have this this rule meaning that in case of a fire, the insurance co can invalidate claims. Alarm bells rang when I read the OP.
Of course we then have to get an approved technician as domino says...
If I was renting out my place, I would assume than any requirement would be my responsibility to ensure it happens = push for and pay for it
Jon
Thereafter, the safety check needs to be done every five years. My OH always checks the dates on the tubes and regulators himself and changes them before we have the safety check done (he was a plumber in another life) so we are charged only for the check to certify that they are in place and the applicances operating satisfactorily.
Unfortunately, as with every other kind of regulations, a lot of people think all this is just a waste of time and money and they can just carry on buying second hand gas bottles at car boot sales and picking up refills at the corner shop, no need for any of that safety nonsense.
Jul 25th 2013 | 8:13 pm
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Re: gas safety checks
Repsol send a reminder every year. I have no issue with doing more than the minimum.
Jul 25th 2013 | 9:13 pm
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From: In the middle of 10million Olive Trees
Re: gas safety checks
[QUOTE=Jon-Bxl;10819906]
May I broaden the topic a tad .....
Is it a requirement for every Spanish home, to have an annual/periodic gas safety check? Rented or not.
I understand that some countries have this this rule meaning that in case of a fire, the insurance co can invalidate claims. Alarm bells rang when I read the OP.
Of course we then have to get an approved technician as domino says...
If I was renting out my place, I would assume than any requirement would be my responsibility to ensure it happens = push for and pay for it
Jon
but my rental has no gas - why do I need a test ?
oh yes, forgot - have a couple of calor portable heaters
May I broaden the topic a tad .....
Is it a requirement for every Spanish home, to have an annual/periodic gas safety check? Rented or not.
I understand that some countries have this this rule meaning that in case of a fire, the insurance co can invalidate claims. Alarm bells rang when I read the OP.
Of course we then have to get an approved technician as domino says...
If I was renting out my place, I would assume than any requirement would be my responsibility to ensure it happens = push for and pay for it
Jon
oh yes, forgot - have a couple of calor portable heaters
Jul 26th 2013 | 9:49 pm
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Re: gas safety checks
as those who rent out a property back home in the UK know, there it is the landlords responsibility and is carried out annually.
if you can get the cost £60 approx to be paid by the tenant is another matter, as such cost helps to keep the tax liability down.
as to Spain, perhaps another matter. How can anyone know that a bird hasn't built a nest in the flue or the inlet?? Was it done when you moved in or did the landlord take pot luck and hope it was OK ??
considering the number of deaths caused by Carbon Monoxide Poisoning, especially in holiday lets, every year, it should be done every year in Spain.
And by an approved gas engineer - but it costs over £2k for equipment and training in the UK, whilst like lots of things here in Spain "anyone" can do it.
Same applies for AC units, they should also be checked and tested. There is no carbon monoxide problem but the smallest pinprick of a leak in the refrigerant gas means it will vent into the atmosphere and you get no (or reduced) cooling meaning it runs inefficiently
someone ought to do it, ask the landlord to cough up and see what happens, but even for a €60 cost - do you want to wake up in the morning DEAD
if you can get the cost £60 approx to be paid by the tenant is another matter, as such cost helps to keep the tax liability down.
as to Spain, perhaps another matter. How can anyone know that a bird hasn't built a nest in the flue or the inlet?? Was it done when you moved in or did the landlord take pot luck and hope it was OK ??
considering the number of deaths caused by Carbon Monoxide Poisoning, especially in holiday lets, every year, it should be done every year in Spain.
And by an approved gas engineer - but it costs over £2k for equipment and training in the UK, whilst like lots of things here in Spain "anyone" can do it.
Same applies for AC units, they should also be checked and tested. There is no carbon monoxide problem but the smallest pinprick of a leak in the refrigerant gas means it will vent into the atmosphere and you get no (or reduced) cooling meaning it runs inefficiently
someone ought to do it, ask the landlord to cough up and see what happens, but even for a €60 cost - do you want to wake up in the morning DEAD
