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Gadaffi is dead .on sky news today..

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Excellent. I rather liked the fact that he was found cowering like a rat in an actual drainpipe.

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Was not the purpose of Nato getting involved to ensure that Gadaffi received a fair trial?

Jim

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Guess no one yelled "Gaddaffi duck"

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NATO got involved for the usual reasons OIL.
Gadaffi was given many opportunities to recieve a fair trial but chose not to.

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Dear god can you imagine the problems that might have caused? Far cheaper and easier this way.

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Surely not? I simply can't imagine how you came up with that idea.

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Maybe he wasn't too far from the truth in rejecting them after all he never got one!!

Jim

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Seems fair to me.

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You people really have learned nothing from Iraq have you :thumbdown:

Come on then let's hear where would you like to invade next? As the middle east warzone spreads, the chances somebody you each know & love will become a casualty, then we'll see how much you support America's quest for world domination!

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Fair trial for what? You've already admitted the reason for war was oil. France & Italy had oil deals in place with the rebels three months before hostilities even began.

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:)A 'fair trial' would have been too embarassing for all concerned. There is no way he could have been allowed to survive.
ciao for now,
'o nonno

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Question being now of course is this present rag tag army of inexperienced folk can keep a nation of tribes together.
The future will tell if the demise of Gadaffi was in the best interests of Libya or not. Some very uncertain times ahead.

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Agree, I've said before, there are always far too many people willing to volunteer somebody else kids to go to war and be killed. If there was a chance they had to go, could be a different story.;) We are nowhere near big enough nor powerful enough to police the world, we're already punching well above our weight, whilst we are constantly in the front line, losing troops by the dozen, most of the EU troops are cowering somewhere in the background, tucked up in some holiday camp.

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It seems that your Human Rights pals are not very happy about the way he died and are demanding an investigation.

Just wondering which side of the fence you're on regarding this heinous crime,bil. ;)

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Where do I stand? Quite simply, I'm sick of people who break the law time and time again, who kill and torture and abuse, and then when they are cornered, they start screaming that they want a fair and legal treatment.

Aren't you one of the people who decrys the human rights and demands common sense? Shooting a rat in a drain makes perfect sense.

I gather his son is lying critically ill in hospital. Were I the doctor, I'd take one look, and say "Leave this one to die, there's an ingrowing toenail in the next bed that needs dealing with."

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Just how much better the new regeme will be or in fact if they are any better we shall see.
Also if Libya will remain unified as a nation. Nato supported a rather unknown factor rather similar to the regeme in power in Afghanistan in that it has limited support outside of its tribal following.

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What have I learned from Iraq? I learned that the Yanks and the UK warmongers are way too stupid to learn from history, and way too arrogant to think they needed to deal with one, legitimate struggle with Afghanistan before they picked an illegitimate one with Iraq.

I learned that the 'Great and the good' who tell us to be honest and pay our taxes, are benefit thieves who lie to Parliament with impunity, that the opposition were too gutless to even challenge the Lies about WMDs. I have learned that the Yanks are desperate to run away from Afghanistan before the Taliban throw them out just like they had their arrogant pasty arses kicked out of Vietnam.

I can hear them shouting "Run away, run away!" from here.

As for Libya? Ghaddafi was torturing and butchering his own people, gunning them down if they dared to protest about it.

Here at least we can see the evidence with our own eyes, and had we done nothing, then frankly the UN might as well be disbanded.

There were no WMDs in Iraq, Saddam was doing what he was told, and we were dragged into that by lying dishonest scum Americans who treat us like fools, and a lying weasel of a prime Minister who spent all his spare time praying and licking Bush's arse.


Is that enough difference for you?

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Can I ask why you consider Afghanistan to be a legitimate struggle? Check the date on this article http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/2017044.stm

You talk about Gaddafi's treatment of his own people, wsn't the same said about Saddam? (Even though the Kurds were not his own people). It was only after he was removed from power, that it was publicly discovered just how bad Iraq was & that it needed ruling with an iron fist. Is the same not true of Libya? Is the civil war that we have created going to end overnight, or as with Iraq, will we still be discussing it in ten years time?

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I watched the videos and photos and wasn't too shocked, but maybe a little saddened. It really brought home to me the belief that we're but a small step away from the savages we once were many thousands of years ago.

One photo showed the injured Gadaffa thrown into an ambulance and smiling rebels climbed aboard afterwards. When he emerged at the other end, he had been shot in the head from close range.

Those smiling rebels are savages, if you choose to call them brave freedom fighters, you would be wrong.

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I consider it legit, if what we were told was true, and the Taliban there had initiated 9/11. Rooting them out would, IMO be justified.

Re the quote, there is no level of corruption so great or so bad that it would surprise me, and if you could produce evidence to show me that the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11 then I would change my openion as to its legitimacy. Even that wouldn't greatly surprise me.

I have no faith in any government of any stripe.

As for Saddam, he was under control, he had destroyed the WMDs. A war wasn't necessary, he could have been contained and extracted without creating the slaughter that we did. Iraq was TRASHED. Power stations, water treatment plants, every ministry that ran the country, the army was disbanded, the police effectively and the border guards. I don't think there was a single institution left capable of functioning. Except oil, possibly????

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There is no difference between terrorists and freedom fighters, it just depends which label they wear.

As I say, Gadaffi broke the law, spat on it and danced, laughing on the fragments. His end was exactly what he deserved, being shot like the vermin he was. For someone like him to then expect a fair and just treatment, especially from the people he abused for so long, is ludicrous.

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damn, this having an opinion and airing it thing is easier than I imagined

ditto to what bil said (see all of the above)


oh by the way HBG you can probably substitute the words "a few hours" for the words "many thousands of years" technology to kill does not change the savage intent. Our minds and natural instincts are those of a hunter gatherer, our education fools us into believing we are different from cavemen, far too early in human evolution for this to change. Live a lie, the illusion is far better than the reality...I can recommend retail therapy or narcotics depending on preference

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That is what his "subjects" considered fair.

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Too funny dude, too funny!

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As I understood it the purpose of NATO getting involved was to protect the civilian population from the actions of Gadaffis thugs and merceneries.

Officially Gadaffi himself was not a target, nor capturing him the purpose of the action.

However unofficially, I have little doubt what was quite understandably going through their minds during the course of the action, just as they appeared well satisfied with the end result.

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Been watching the end of the rat on Spanish TV. You'd never see images like this on UK TV that's far too sanitised.

Personally, I prefer seeing the harsher images. Helps people to realise the true impact of violence if they see some blood. Might put them off doing it themselves.

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Gadaffi's death is to be applauded, but not the manner of it; that seems to be the informed opinion from the civilised world. Not surprisingly, the most graphic images in the British press appear in the Daily Mail, it is what their readership expect and thousands of them have added comments, often expressing their glee at the scenes.

If cavemen could read, that's the newspaper they would be gloating over. I was going to write that I didn't have the courage to look at the Sun, but then decided I did, but just looked at the headlines.

That's For Lockerby is what they said, beside the face of a bloodied human head suffering during torture.

Thank God most of us don't agree with such savagery.

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It's easy to prove that the Taliban had nothing to do with 9/11, how many people still think Osama Bin Laden was responsible for the attacks? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...military-trial

Kuwaiti born Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is linked with Al Qaeda but not the Taliban. Please remember that Taliban was the name of the Afghan government up until 2001.

There were two reasons for the invasion of Afghanistan. The first was to build the worlds longest oil pipeline from Azerbaijan and Central Asia through Afghanistan to Pakistan & India.

The second reason is in preparation for a two fronted war against Iran. The US now has bases either side of Iran & has wanted the war with Iran since the Shah was overthrown in 1979.

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Article 13 of the Geneva Convention

Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. Any unlawful act or omission by the Detaining Power causing death or seriously endangering the health of a prisoner of war in its custody is prohibited, and will be regarded as a serious breach of the present Convention. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest.

Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity.

Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.

Whether you agree with the savagery or not, whether you wanted to see him dead or not, it was a criminal act.

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If you think Spanish tv is bad watch Al Jazeera English (Sky channel 514)http://english.aljazeera.net/

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Absolutely right. I'll take that into consideration right after my hang gliding trip thru Hell.

When it comes down to the treatment of an individual soldier, or even the leader of an army, yeah, I agree proper treatment is a must.

However, Gaddafi is such a shit, that I'm prepared to turn a blind eye.

Tell you what. Get that scumbag blair up on war crimes, and Bush in the dock with him, get them convicted and I'll think about looking into Gaddafi's death.

Right after hell freezes over.

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If the Yanks invaded Afghanistan in preparation for a war on Iran, then they are even more retarded than I thought.

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What has Gaddafi ever done to you Bil? Have you ever had the opportunity to form a balanced viewpoint, or are you reiterating opinions of the media?

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Look at the map Bil.......

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Oh no, what have I done? You are so right. I have allowed myself to be seduced by the amazing news programmes. You are of course right in that I have slavishly based my opions on this and other data gathered from secondary sources, instead of verifying them myself by going there and interviewing gaddafi and the all the Libyan citizens myself.

But wait! How will I be able to trust them? Is gaddafi lying when he says he is blameless? Perhaps the deaths were all fakes.

Plus of course, Gaddafi has never done A SINGLE THING to me.

I resolve to forgive him immediately, to retract all the negative things I have said about him, and dedicate the rest of my life to clearing his name and getting him cannonised by the pope, or if you your self are free, perhaps you could perform this august role?

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If you are going to carry on producing weapons as many of those company's that contribute so many millions to the republican party do, pay again those millions to grease the wheels in congress etc etc etc. Then you really need a couple of good excuses to ............

1 Use the things up so you can of course make a lot more.
2 Have a good war industry Dependant on the newest/latest smart this or that.
3 Keep pushing ahead development until the Mega Smart (or whatever the latest term is) of the future will allow these so called wars to be conducted from the pentagon via a mouse, as with the right propaganda there will always be some nasties to splat, but without the need to send personnel there.
4 Well the USA has been sponsoring/encouraging/setting up a long list of nasties for many (many) years to date so why change a winning formula.

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I have. Afghanistan shares a border with Iran, but is landlocked. All your troops and armour would have to be flown in, with all the planes vulnerable to Talib shooters with ground to airs, and all you columns would face guerrilla attacks long before they got to Iran.

I'm no military strategist, but that looks like madness to me.

Iraq, ok, got a border and a sea port, so that makes sense. Trouble is, you gotta ship all those troops and so on up a comparatively narrow waterway.

In the war games the yanks played against an American general taking the part of Saddam, he sank most of the big shipping with the loss of thousands of lives, simply by placing a few loyalists in fishing boats with a cheapo one shot, shoulder launched misslie. Whop one of those in at the waterline, and your multi million dollar aircraft carrier is suddenly relegated to being a fish action park, and the death toll from repeating the trick with a couple of troop carriers would damn soon quench America's taste for that war.

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Well, that's weird. I read through some of the comments in the Daily Mail after the horrific pictures shown over many pages, and hundreds of them were exact replicas of what you have posted here on this topic.

I suppose it makes sense, it's the view of the British masses and I may not agree with them, but respect their stance.

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really...do you actually give a toss what happened to this pig before he died. I guess if someone oppressed me my entire life I would have had no hesitation making the scumbag suffer the agony of all his victims before killing him.

oh, and what did he do to me ? simple He blew up one of my school mates and scattered him over various parts of Lockerbie