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The Guy Nov 3rd 2008 1:58 am

Free FIVE Testing
 
I may have mentioned this before, but Channel 5 is currently testing a free (no sky card required) signal, in preparation for its launch onto Freesat.

It is thought that the current frequency that is being used (and requires a Sky card) may be switched off in the near future.

FIVE is testing on frequency 10773 h 22.0 5/6 and tagged as "6335".

This is the same frequency as BBC2 and so will have the same availability as BBC2. This may not be the final frequency, will keep you informed.

Freesat receiver will have to go into Non Freesat mode until it gets added automatically into you 105 slot.

Mitzyboy Nov 3rd 2008 2:01 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by Satandpcguy (Post 6935721)
This is the same frequency as BBC2 and so will have the same availability as BBC2. t.

So that will be next to no availability then :)

Beachcomber Nov 3rd 2008 2:14 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
Thanks for that. Not that I ever watch Five but it has good signal strength and quality on my very cheap and cheerful Silvercrest receiver.

Fred James Nov 3rd 2008 2:28 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by Satandpcguy (Post 6935721)
I may have mentioned this before, but Channel 5 is currently testing a free (no sky card required) signal, in preparation for its launch onto Freesat. .

Do you know when C4HD is going over to Freesat?

jdr Nov 3rd 2008 3:01 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 6935799)
Do you know when C4HD is going over to Freesat?

It was nearly only the 5 channels that worked when we had heavy rain the other day.

The Guy Nov 3rd 2008 4:15 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
hi,

current thinking is that this will follow the pattern that c4 used when they went free a few months ago.
ie
Run a free channel on a new frequency.
When space on Astra 2d (the weak satellite) is available transfer all their channels to that frequency.
(And when they get their own frequency Five US and Fiver may also go free)

But it does mean that as from today you can get bbc, itv, c4 and Five all for free without the use of a sky card.

No news on C4HD going free yet i am afraid...but will keep me ears open...maybe we shall learn something closer to the 2009 sky card change that is rumoured to happen now all the main uk channels are now free. And if ITV are thinking of having a HD channel on Freeview (UK service through a UK tv aerial) then maybe it will appear on satellite also...


Originally Posted by jdr (Post 6935880)
It was nearly only the 5 channels that worked when we had heavy rain the other day.

Thts as they are transmitted from Astra 2c - which has a faily strong signal...

Fred James Nov 3rd 2008 6:13 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by Satandpcguy (Post 6936092)
And if ITV are thinking of having a HD channel on Freeview (UK service through a UK tv aerial) then maybe it will appear on satellite also...

If you mean on Freesat, ITV are already transmitting HD. I watched the new Sharpe series last night in HD on ITV.

The Guy Nov 3rd 2008 8:31 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

And if ITV are thinking of having a HD channel on Freeview (UK service through a UK tv aerial) then maybe it will appear on satellite also...
Sorry should have read...

And as ITV are thinking of having a HD channel on Freeview (UK service through a UK tv aerial) then maybe it will appear on Sky satellite recivers also...

The Guy Nov 5th 2008 6:58 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by Fred James (Post 6935799)
Do you know when C4HD is going over to Freesat?

More info re C4HD from sat site...


Sky did some pretty big favours for Channel 4 to get 4HD up and running (ie paid for a lot of the broadcast kit). It will probably be years rather than months before it's FTA.

C4HD is uplinked by Sky on a Sky leased transponder (very possibly at zero cost to C4!) C4 probably now need to find enough space on 2D and some more money for uplinking.
and for more info on Five


official line from Freesat regarding Fiver and Five US:

"Due to lack of availability of appropriate satellite capacity, Fiver and Five US are unable to join freesat currently. However, we are exploring options to secure capacity to enable these channels to join freesat at some time in the future."
and also in other news..

some other "sat companies" have been stating that Bravo and Virgin 1 (and other virgin TV channels) will be going free and moving to freesat soon, well, as per the deal struck yesterday between sky and virgin the virgin channels will be exclusivly on sky for the next few years....


...a new deal for Virgin Media TV's basic channels, including Living, Bravo, Trouble, Challenge and Virgin 1, to continue to run on Sky's digital satellite TV service. The deals will run until June 12 2011.

spainboy Nov 6th 2008 9:29 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
So FIVE is going to freesat on the 18th NOV. So if I can still recieve a signal all day on my 2.4mt AFTER this date then can we safely say that it will not be going over to the same signal as BBC2?
When will FIVE's transponder be confirmed? Around the 18th NOV?

jurdyr Nov 6th 2008 10:35 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6947810)
So FIVE is going to freesat on the 18th NOV. So if I can still recieve a signal all day on my 2.4mt AFTER this date then can we safely say that it will not be going over to the same signal as BBC2?
When will FIVE's transponder be confirmed? Around the 18th NOV?

there lot off testing going on so real know it home channel next week and if Satandpcguy dose tell you it be me

We the ture satellite people off spain , we know it befor you see it

The Guy Nov 6th 2008 6:52 pm

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6947810)
So FIVE is going to freesat on the 18th NOV. So if I can still recieve a signal all day on my 2.4mt AFTER this date then can we safely say that it will not be going over to the same signal as BBC2?
When will FIVE's transponder be confirmed? Around the 18th NOV?

the FREE version on Five appears to be going tot he same frequency as BBC2 - due to the fact that this is where the test signal is. They are also showing a "Information card" for certian programmes that they cannot broadcast for free on satellite - "this programme is unavailable on freetoair satellite"

the Sky card version (available on a 80cm dish) may still be available after this date, but this is not confirmed yet.

if FIve manage to secure a transponder on astra 2d for all its channels (Five, FIVER FIVE US) then i am sure that they will all go free.

spainboy Nov 6th 2008 7:27 pm

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
My daughter loves Neighbours and if it goes off then Ill never hear the end of it although it does finish around 3.15pm and sometimes BBC2 is still a good signal and stays on til 4.30pm othertimes it isn't and goes off at 2pm.Although saying that the onmibus is repeated on FIVER and FIVER +1 so do you think there is no chance in the future of FIVER+1 ever getting moved to astra 2d or would they concentrate just on FIVER, FIVE US if in the future they find space?(ie channel 4+1 has remained a 24hr good signal)

Iam in the Benidorm area with a pace2600 + 2.4mtr dish. Should I be getting BBC2 longer anyway than 2pm- 4pm anyway? If I look into getting a better LNB fitted then could I get an unbroken BBC2 signal til at least 4pm everyday or does it sound like im getting the strongest signal and is it normal to sometimes get breakups at 2pm?

The Guy Nov 6th 2008 11:59 pm

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6948923)
SNIP....saying that the onmibus is repeated on FIVER and FIVER +1 so do you think there is no chance in the future of FIVER+1 ever getting moved to astra 2d or would they concentrate just on FIVER, FIVE US if in the future they find space?(ie channel 4+1 has remained a 24hr good signal)


if FIve manage to secure a transponder on astra 2d for all its channels (Five, FIVER FIVE US) then i am sure that they will all go free.

I should include Fiver+1 and Five US in this statement also.


Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6948923)
Iam in the Benidorm area with a pace2600 + 2.4mtr dish. Should I be getting BBC2 longer anyway than 2pm- 4pm anyway? If I look into getting a better LNB fitted then could I get an unbroken BBC2 signal til at least 4pm everyday or does it sound like im getting the strongest signal and is it normal to sometimes get breakups at 2pm?

normally in my area i only get bbc2 from 5am ish til 6pm ish.
it gets a bit worse in Calpe and Benidorm so i would suggest you are just about getting the most from the signal...

spainboy Nov 7th 2008 12:04 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
Right thanks.

So why hasn't Channel 4+1 ever moved to Astra 2D? This sort of lead me to believe FIVER would also leave it's '+1' on the better signal, or does Channel 4 plan to move its '+1' at a later date?

The Guy Nov 7th 2008 12:16 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
c4+1 is on astra 2d and has been for a few months...(beginning of august when all the c4's moved around if i recall.)

the main c4 (104) is on 10714 H
the main c4+1 (135) is on 10720 V

Both of these frequencies are on Astra 2d

the first goes off at the same time as BBC2
the second will go off at the same time as bbc1

there are other c4's available on 12480 v, which are not free, which require a sky card, but these are IRISH versions of the channel, and are on Astra 2b (at the moment).

spainboy Nov 7th 2008 12:30 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
Is this the TT on 4? Yeah I can get that. So if FIVER goes onto Astra 2D in the future there is a good chance one of its variations (or +1) will be on the Vertical transponder for us sky card watchers hence having it all day?

The Guy Nov 7th 2008 12:54 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6949613)
Is this the TT on 4? Yeah I can get that.

TTon 4 is a left over c4 test signal..it is not c4+1...


Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6949613)
So if FIVER goes onto Astra 2D in the future there is a good chance one of its variations (or +1) will be on the Vertical transponder for us sky card watchers hence having it all day?

Correcto.
if it goes onto a horizontal frequency on astra 2d then its viewing hours will be limited (a la bbc2)
if it goes onto a vertical frequency on astra 2d then its viewing hours will be similar to bbc1

jurdyr Nov 7th 2008 5:17 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6949544)
Right thanks.

So why hasn't Channel 4+1 ever moved to Astra 2D? This sort of lead me to believe FIVER would also leave it's '+1' on the better signal, or does Channel 4 plan to move its '+1' at a later date?

ch4+1 is moving . now ASTRA 1M satellite has gone up and will be up and working full at19.2 east soon , just watching the test early on to day when it was fire up but wont be there untill jannray 09 final orbital position within the next weeks that will bring more services in feb 09
to 28.2

The Guy Nov 17th 2008 8:28 am

Re: Free FIVE NOW available
 
The Good News : FIVE has joined Freesat....and is available without a Sky card....

The Bad news: It IS on the same frequency as BBC2 and so will have the same availability as BBC2.

And more bad news: There may also be certain programmes / movies / sports that will be blocked and not shown on this Free version of Five due to contractual reasons, as confirmed by the captions displayed during the past few weeks of testing during certain programmes.

At the moment, the Sky card version of FIVE is still there and easily available with an 80cm dish....for now.....

spainboy Nov 20th 2008 3:42 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
FIVE is still currently on the stronger signal for sky users on a 2.4mt and I can still get it all day.
When you say 105 FIVE is gonna to be going onto the same frequency as BBC2 then wouldnt it have happened by now or are they waiting to create space on the satellite?


Ie, is the freesat version on the bbc2 frequency yet(6335 version) or is the freesat version 'still' on the same frequency as 105 (stronger signal)?

Will 6335 replace 105 eventually??? (6335 being the weak signal right now)


Im confused.!!

Fred James Nov 20th 2008 4:41 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
On my Freesat box I am getting C5 on Astra 2D on 10773 which is the same as BBC2

The Guy Nov 20th 2008 5:23 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6993290)
FIVE is still currently on the stronger signal for sky users on a 2.4mt and I can still get it all day..!!

infact you should be able to get Sky 105 FIVE on an 80cm dish!
you will struggle to get freesat 105 FIVE 24/7 on a 2.4m dish tho...


Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6993290)
When you say 105 FIVE is gonna to be going onto the same frequency as BBC2 then wouldnt it have happened by now or are they waiting to create space on the satellite?

there is not space on the astra 2d satellite - hence why thay are sharing the BBC2 frequency. when space appears then i dare say five may bid for a full transponder / frequency....and then they may move all their channels onto it...theyhave at least 8 channels.: five has 4 regions used for different adverts, fiver, fiver+1, five us, five us+1).


Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6993290)
Ie, is the freesat version on the bbc2 frequency yet(6335 version) or is the freesat version 'still' on the same frequency as 105 (stronger signal)?

no the freesat five is on the bbc2 frequency and was offically launch on freesat on tuesday. if you scan the BBC2 frequency 10773h 22 5/6 then you will see than "6335" is now "FIVE", as the 6335 was just the test channel id used before launch.

the sky FIVE is on astra 2c, on 10964 H


Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6993290)
Will 6335 replace 105 eventually??? (6335 being the weak signal right now)

i think i have answered this above....we shall have to wait and see if / when space becomes available on astra 2d and if five go for it...

spainboy Nov 20th 2008 5:38 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 
Thanks for the replies pcsatguy, you have been most helpful.

So hopefully sky viewers could still see FIVE on 105 all day still for weeks if not months before that version goes over to the BBC2 signal, or even longer than that?

The Guy Nov 20th 2008 5:51 am

Re: Free FIVE Testing
 

Originally Posted by spainboy (Post 6993663)
Thanks for the replies pcsatguy, you have been most helpful.

So hopefully sky viewers could still see FIVE on 105 all day still for weeks if not months before that version goes over to the BBC2 signal, or even longer than that?

yup, you got it...


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