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FIFA hates poppies!
How dare FIFA ban England players from wearing poppies in the forthcoming Spain game. Cameron says it's outrageous:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15643295.stm Of course the reality is that Fifa can't change the rules on this, lest it opens a can of worms. Wearing a poppy may be traditional here, but so is burning the stars and stripes in Iran and shouting "Death to America". Once you allow this type of demonstration on the pitch (no matter how good the cause) you then have international matches descend into chaos elsewhere.. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 9722515)
How dare FIFA ban England players from wearing poppies in the forthcoming Spain game. Cameron says it's outrageous:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15643295.stm Of course the reality is that Fifa can't change the rules on this, lest it opens a can of worms. Wearing a poppy may be traditional here, but so is burning the stars and stripes in Iran and shouting "Death to America". Once you allow this type of demonstration on the pitch (no matter how good the cause) you then have international matches descend into chaos elsewhere.. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 9722515)
How dare FIFA ban England players from wearing poppies in the forthcoming Spain game. Cameron says it's outrageous:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/15643295.stm Of course the reality is that Fifa can't change the rules on this, lest it opens a can of worms. Wearing a poppy may be traditional here, but so is burning the stars and stripes in Iran and shouting "Death to America". Once you allow this type of demonstration on the pitch (no matter how good the cause) you then have international matches descend into chaos elsewhere.. Now allowed on their black armbands. They are not a political statement in my opinion but simply a form of remembrance, though sadly we see various disident groups unable or unwilling to grasp this. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9723135)
Just been overturned, and rightly so too.
Now allowed on their black armbands. They are not a political statement in my opinion but simply a form of remembrance, though sadly we see various disident groups unable or unwilling to grasp this. The British Legion are fine with alternatives to having the poppy on the shirt, and I think I'd sooner trust their judgement on this than most. http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/abou...fifa-poppy-ban Referring to the FIFA ban on poppies being worn on England's shirts, Director General of The Royal British Legion Chris Simpkins said: "There are other ways to honour the poppy than by wearing it on a shirt. The FA has helped us explore every alternative available and we are satisfied that England will enter the competition knowing they have shown proper respect for our Armed Forces." Working closely with the Legion, FA officials have arranged for a full Two Minute Silence during the training session and a One Minute Silence before the international match, during which a poppy wreath will be laid. Players will wear black armbands in recognition of those who have made the ultimate sacrifice in Service to the nation. The Royal British Legion has kindly been offered space within Wembley Stadium for poppy images and messages of support. These will be visible to all supporters and viewers at home. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9723135)
Just been overturned, and rightly so too.
Now allowed on their black armbands. They are not a political statement in my opinion but simply a form of remembrance, though sadly we see various disident groups unable or unwilling to grasp this. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 9723164)
I know what you're saying, but poppies as a remembrance symbol won't mean a lot in Iran or the Congo etc.
The British Legion are fine with alternatives to having the poppy on the shirt, and I think I'd sooner trust their judgement on this than most. http://www.britishlegion.org.uk/abou...fifa-poppy-ban Good move in the end to have a poppy on the armband, methinks. http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/091120...ompromise.html :thumbsup: |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
As a result of the unnecessary offence caused by mainly extremist ethnic groups who were unwilling or to stupid to accept that poppies are simply a symbol of remembrance and respect, it wouldn't surprise me to see extremist right wing groups react by latching on to it, just as they did with the Union flag.
I wonder if our man in Madrid would like to join those who wish to see Christmas banned, as I believe it already has been in one or two places of weird political persuasions ? |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9723238)
As a result of the unnecessary offence caused by mainly extremist ethnic groups who were unwilling or to stupid to accept that poppies are simply a symbol of remembrance and respect, it wouldn't surprise me to see extremist right wing groups react by latching on to it, just as they did with the Union flag.
I wonder if our man in Madrid would like to join those who wish to see Christmas banned, as I believe it already has been in one or two places of weird political persuasions ? http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/arti...rrections.html We stated in an article on 26 September that Christmas has been renamed in various places Winterval. Winterval was the collective name for a season of public events, both religious and secular, which took place in Birmingham in 1997 and 1998. We are happy to make clear that Winterval did not rename or replace Christmas. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by steviedeluxe
(Post 9723248)
Ha ha ha - even the Daily Mail has had to apologise for this garbage - got this via Twitter yesterday - it's the Daily Mail corrections page. Your question again Dick? No one has been trying to ban Christmas - only in the make-believe world of the Daily Mail and their readers
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/arti...rrections.html |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Cobblers,
Try the Telegraph then. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-threat.html Not hard to fathom out who the real DM readers are. You guys seem to be fully aware of every word they print. :p |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9723343)
Cobblers,
Try the Telegraph then. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...er-threat.html Not hard to fathom out who the real DM readers are. You guys seem to be fully aware of every word they print. :p Personally, I feel the less religion of any form is rammed down kids' throats the better. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by bil
(Post 9723385)
Well, I rerad it, but I don't see anything about xmas being 'banned'.
Personally, I feel the less religion of any form is rammed down kids' throats the better. I think it's soon generally accepted as being little more than a fairy story such as those you read yourself, but a pleasant fairy story nevertheless. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by Dick Dasterdly
(Post 9723404)
Hardly ramming it down kids throats anymore than the Santa Claus stuff is.
I think it's soon generally accepted as being little more than a fairy story such as those you read yourself, but a pleasant fairy story nevertheless. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
When I wear a poppy, it's a personal choice, and I even have a choice of colours although I prefer the darker one.
I think it's a dangerous step if people are forced to wear one, as appears to be the case with the England team on Saturday. This 'forcing' is a recent phenomenon, every newsreader is wearing one, even young Murdoch when he was telling lies to the committee today. I appreciate the reason for wearing the poppy and agree with it, but not if it is a government order forced on people who may not even understand its significance. Our footballers are not the brightest of people, they are managed by an Italian whose country was on the other side in the war which succeeded the one which lead to the poppy tradition. I think that sport should be set aside from political and national traditions, and wonder what the Spanish people will make of it. |
Re: FIFA hates poppies!
Originally Posted by HBG
(Post 9725751)
When I wear a poppy, it's a personal choice, and I even have a choice of colours although I prefer the darker one.
I think it's a dangerous step if people are forced to wear one, as appears to be the case with the England team on Saturday. This 'forcing' is a recent phenomenon, every newsreader is wearing one, even young Murdoch when he was telling lies to the committee today. I appreciate the reason for wearing the poppy and agree with it, but not if it is a government order forced on people who may not even understand its significance. Our footballers are not the brightest of people, they are managed by an Italian whose country was on the other side in the war which succeeded the one which lead to the poppy tradition. I think that sport should be set aside from political and national traditions, and wonder what the Spanish people will make of it. |
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